Ike Peg Legs - Does PCGS attribute?

Windycity

I don't see anything in the pop report about Ike Peg Legs and yet PCGS does attribute Franklin Bugs Bunny varieties. Anyone know why they apparently don't attribute Ike Peg Legs?

magikbilly

They haven't read Melville?

Eric

commoncents05

1971-S $1 Silver Peg Leg FS-401 PCGS Coin # 148405

They attribute at least one of them.

-Paul

Windycity

Paul, You are correct... begs the question "would they attribute clad peg legs?"

LindeDad

Are they in the Cheery Pickers guide? I understand they require that first?

Senex

<< <i>Are they in the Cheery Pickers guide? I understand they require that first? >>


I find I'm usually cheery after two beers!

19Lyds

I think that if you sent them the $24 Attribution Fee and the grading fee/reslab fee that they "MIGHT" put "Peg Leg" on the label if it was truly a PegLeg coin.
Of course, it would not get a coin number nor would it get an FS number since those are assigned by the CPG Staff.

I've had occasion to get the designation on the slab label but those occasions were out of the ordinary and usually revolved around some type of variety attribution.



The above coin was a misattributed FS-103 but PCGS was nice enough to include PegLeg DDO on the new label.

I had a couple of others but cannot seem to locate the scans.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>The above coin was a misattributed FS-103 but PCGS was nice enough to include PegLeg DDO on the new label. >>



scans not needed

cert page
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davewesen

The new Cherrypickers Guide (6th ed Vol III) has a few more included - 71-D, 72-D, 74-D, 76-D TYP 1, 78-D

I looked in my albums and have a couple more not listed ... do all IKEs years/mintmarks have part of the lower R abraded?

wondercoin

Windy city-

Are you asking if PCGS officially recognizes these?

932976.69/47916050

Wondercoin

Windycity

Since this original post, I have sold almost all my Ikes. Had fun with them but just not enough overall interest in the series.

Rodentman

I never heard of such a coin. Ich bin ein beginner. But as a BK amputee I had to get one. Thus, on order!

hummingbird_coins

@Rodentman said:
I never heard of such a coin. Ich bin ein beginner. But as a BK amputee I had to get one. Thus, on order!

Burger King amputee? I didn't know that was how they made the burgers...

Rodentman

Perhaps you should look at this for a while before you make fun of the disabled.

SPalladino

@davewesen said:
The new Cherrypickers Guide (6th ed Vol III) has a few more included - 71-D, 72-D, 74-D, 76-D TYP 1, 78-D

I had heard way back in the development of this edition that some more peg leg Ikes would be added to the FS listings. I'm surprised that the 71-D FEV peg leg, 1972 Type 1 peg leg, and 1977-D peg legs are not on the list (although I have not yet perused a CPG 6th ed., vol.3).

Typically, if a variety is listed in CPG, then the TPG will eventually attribute them and label them with their FS number. It may take a while...the 1971-D Friendly Eagle FS-901 was first attributed by PCGS a bit of time after it was listed in CPG, and then even later by NGC.

@davewesen said:
I looked in my albums and have a couple more not listed ... do all IKEs years/mintmarks have part of the lower R abraded?

1) Some Ikes had peg leg R by design. All dies carried the no-serif, peg leg R. These were the ODV-006 1971-S proofs (first ~40-50% of S mint production in 1971), all 1972-S business strikes, all 1972-S proofs, and all 1976 Type coins (76, 76D, 76S CP, 76S SB, and 76S SP). IOW, there are millions of these date/MM/strike type, from many, many dies.

2) Other business strike Ikes started with a die bearing a serif R, but during a die's production run (avg 100,000 coins per obv die in 71 and 72, and avg 250,000 coins per obv die in 73-78), whether due to die crack or clash, were taken out of production, "repaired" with die abrasion, and then put back into production. At some point, on some of these dies, there was sufficient "repair" work to result in a die that would produce coins without the serifs on the R (among other changes that denote a "peg leg"). Thus, these peg legs were a result of die manipulation, and likely had a mintage that was less than the average number of coins produced per die during the given period (given that the first part of a die's production run produced serif-R coins, and only later in the die's production did the die turn in to a no-serif R die).

There are known business strike peg leg Ikes for: 71-D, 71-D FEV, 71-S, 72 Type 1, 74-D, 76 T2, 76-D T2, 77-D, and 78-D.

There are also known off-at-the knees (OAK) peg leg Ikes for 71-S SP, 72-D, and 76-D T1. In the case of the 71-S SP and 76-D T1, these originated on die that had peg leg by design, and the "die repair" or die manipulation (die polishing in the case of the 71-S SP) resulted in a R with more than half of the bottom of the vertical of the R missing.

Among the business strike Ikes, these dates/MM do not have a known peg leg: 71, 72 T2, 72 T3, 73, 73-D, 73-S, 74, 74-S, 77, 78.

3) One issue that confounds the CPG and TPG: for some business strike date/MM that end up bearing peg leg Ikes, there were multiple dies, each bearing different die markers, MM placement, and even appearance of the peg leg R. Of the business strike peg leg Ike date/MM listed in #2, there were only three single-die peg leg varieties: 1971-D FEV peg leg, 1972 T1 peg leg, and 1978-D peg leg. All of the rest have multiple dies. 77-D has two dies with peg leg coin production. The rest have anywhere between 4 and 8 dies the produced peg legs.

For example, the 1971-S silver business strike production had 4 dies that bore peg legs. Only one of them is the true FS-401, with appearance, markers, and MM placement that match the FS-401 in the CPG. Yet, I have examples of peg legs from each of the four dies in PCGS holders, attributed as FS-401, each with different peg leg appearance, different markers, different MM placement.

IOW, should TPG begin to follow the new CPG listings, and attribute FS-401 for each of the years that CPG lists a peg leg, then there will, no doubt, be peg legs from multiple different dies for a given year (eg, 72-D) that are attributed as a FS-401 peg leg (1972-D FS-401)....just like what has happened with the 1971-S SB FS-401.

SPalladino

My PCGS peg leg showcase set: https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/modern-issues-1964-present/peg-leg-eisenhower-dollars/1594 .....Long overdue to for updating.....at the time, I had done individual die-identification work only for the 77-D (two dies) and 1971-S silver business strike (four dies) peg legs.

SPalladino

Part 1 and part 2 of a recent video series that I have done on peg leg Ikes:
Part 1 - peg legs by design: https://youtu.be/-WjxQkb5mR0
Part 2- die manipulation peg legs: https://youtu.be/s_AZjRYLjRs

davewesen

Thanks for posting those videos Steve, it explains many things I never knew.