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ICCS not an approved grading company on eBay?

I had not listed an ICCS coin for a while. When the culling occurred a while back, leaving PCGS/NGC/ANACS/ICG, I thought ICCS was still OK. Has this changed? Is the solution to list on eBay Canada? Thanks.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    Thanks. But there are huge numbers of ICCS coins on eBay. I guess I'll send a message to some of the sellers, ask how they managed it.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,416 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks. But there are huge numbers of ICCS coins on eBay. I guess I'll send a message to some of the sellers, ask how they managed it. >>



    I don't think eBay has the staff to go looking for rule violators but if someone reports it they will take action to remove the offending listing.

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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    eBay's policy writers need some training in English.

    You can't state that companies must meet the following criteria and then list what the companies should do. Geez.

    From eBay...

    "Criteria for approved grading companies

    To be eligible to be an approved grading service, the grading company must, at minimum, meet the following objective criteria:

    The service should have graded at least 50,000 pre-1956 coins.

    The service should provide a live, online population report.

    There should be at least three graders on staff who are considered numismatic experts. A numismatic expert is an individual who has been a full-time numismatist for at least 5 years. At least 1 of the graders should be a member of the Professional Numismatists Guild, and all three should be members of the American Numismatic Association.

    The service should provide a buyback guarantee in writing for coins later determined to be counterfeit, damaged, misgraded or misattributed

    Coins being slabbed must be encased in a unique, tamper resistant holder with anti-counterfeiting measures (such as a hologram, or other method)

    The service should enable online verification of unique serial numbers"

    According to eBay's policy, the only real requirement ("must" statement) seems to be the type of holder. The rest are all "should" statements.
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,429 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As far as I understand it, listing ICCS coins is OK for Ebay.ca (Canada)...NOT acceptable on Ebay.com (US).

    If you list on Ebay.ca and then provide shipping to US, then the ICCS listed item will be listed on Ebay.com (so that's the way around that issue).
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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    Thanks Perry, but what happens is that when you finish building your listing and hit submit, it comes back with an error message saying only PGCS/NGC/ANACS/ICG coins allowed.

    After I posted this thread last night, I went to eBay.ca and was able to post an ICCS listing. It still only gives the above four as approved companies, but I inserted ICCS and this time the system accepted it.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    Thanks DoubleEagle. I tried that last night and it worked.

    Sort of odd, since ICCS has such a high reputation. But they must not have bothered to comply with eBay's idiosyncrasies for US eBay.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,429 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks DoubleEagle. I tried that last night and it worked.

    Sort of odd, since ICCS has such a high reputation. But they must not have bothered to comply with eBay's idiosyncrasies for US eBay. >>



    Most likely the lack of secure plastic slab would be my guess.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,528 ✭✭✭✭✭
    non approved TPG coins can be listed on ebay, but they have to be done so using the raw coin guidelines in ebay coin and currency policy. A picture (including grade) of the non approved TPG holder can be shown.

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • LochNESSLochNESS Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Thanks. But there are huge numbers of ICCS coins on eBay. I guess I'll send a message to some of the sellers, ask how they managed it. >>


    I don't think eBay has the staff to go looking for rule violators but if someone reports it they will take action to remove the offending listing. >>


    Actually, I've reported plenty of counterfeit and trademark violation listings (and even called eBay and informed them verbally, with listing numbers!) and they are mostly still active / never removed. So I'd go a step further to say they don't even have the staff to punish rule violators once they've been found.

    As DerryB stated, though, it is quite easy to sell an ICCS coin on the bay. Just don't check the box that says "graded." You can put ICCS in your subject heading, and include the photos and all. Treat it like a raw coin in a regular 2x2 flip.
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