1950 Satin Proof?
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I bought this coin 20+ years ago as a business strike but soon after realized it might be a satin finish proof strike. The edges are square and flat but the rims are not fully wide, flat and sharp as I would expect from a proof. Most folks who have seen it say it is undoubtedly a proof. I photographed it in the Kointain it's been in for 20 years. I could get the color to show up better if I took it out but I'm loathe to touch it unless I send it in for authentication and grading, which I probably won't do. Anyway, here it is and opinions are welcome...Ray
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this might be a 1950 Satin Proof which was described in the Guidebook of Lincoln Cents as having
"a hybrid finish that is mirror-like but having some satiny graininess".
PCGS PR64RB
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<< <i>MS 65+ , and maybe a sticker.... I'd like to "Ask Longacre".
As if he'd deign to trouble himself with such a pedestrian coin.
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Pretty coin and I'd think it would be fun to send it in.
<< <i>Another 50' proof
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Also (and I give Cladking the credit here for teaching me), it's believed the very first few coins struck with new dies will not have developed the flow lines that create luster that is seen on later struck coins. So....my question became....how are we to describe the surfaces on a coin that was struck from dies without flow lines. I believe I have 4 coins that were struck from the earliest of dies and they all have a satin appearance. Some to a lesser degree than others. Your coin may fall in this catagory but it also appears to have mirrors to a certain degree but one of the ways (and I think there are 3, read somewhere) prooflike fields are created are with flow lines.
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<< <i>Likely a transition piece when the proof dies were reconditioned for the striking of business strikes. Wouldn't of made much sense retiring a limited used die or destroying it, not using it for other purposes. And, of course, under less hammer pressure. This is something all serious collectors need to watch for when selecting coins and paying high dollar for them.
Also (and I give Cladking the credit here for teaching me), it's believed the very first few coins struck with new dies will not have developed the flow lines that create luster that is seen on later struck coins. So....my question became....how are we to describe the surfaces on a coin that was struck from dies without flow lines. I believe I have 4 coins that were struck from the earliest of dies and they all have a satin appearance. Some to a lesser degree than others. Your coin may fall in this catagory but it also appears to have mirrors to a certain degree but one of the ways (and I think there are 3, read somewhere) prooflike fields are created are with flow lines. >>
Good observations, and a biz strike from retired proof dies is a possibility. One thing to note though is that all coins, even proofs, have flow lines, even first strike coins from brand new polished dies and planchets. The metal must flow when stressed as the coin is struck, and this creates the flow lines as the metal is strained. It's just that on highly polished surfaces they are not so visible, but under the right lighting angles and viewing conditions they become obvious, though possibly only under magnification.
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Newman 1950 Satin Proof Cent
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<< <i>There's what appears to be a 1950 Satin Proof Cent in the Newman collection... >>
that coin looks quite peculiar from those images. i thought the same thing earlier after tdn posted the link in the other thread.
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this might be a 1950 Satin Proof which was described in the Guidebook of Lincoln Cents as having
"a hybrid finish that is mirror-like but having some satiny graininess".
PCGS PR64RB
Oh, man, dig those bands of color around the date. That's an electric coin if I ever saw one.
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look closely near the rims, especially at the bottom of the reverse and between the wheat ears and the rim. those areas of the die retained their brilliant finish longer than the rest of the die. as the OP states, "Most folks who have seen it say it is undoubtedly a proof" and I would expect in-hand those areas would really stand out.
<< <i>Ray, tbh, I believe that's just a late die state proof. Pretty common from what I've seen. >>
I think it's the opposite. From my understanding it's the early die states that produced cameos. Striking coins and polishing the dies after some number of strikes wore away the satiny finish and removed fine details, which these "Satin" coins have in spades.
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