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GotTheBug

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Pokermandude

Pretty much impossible to tell based on that image. I'd assume the answer is no since the top two Canadian coin grading companies have both had their say.

Senex

<< <i>It's been a while since I bought any certified Canadian fifty centers, my favorite denomination so I placed my eBay bid and won this nice example, my first CCCS-graded piece. I'm thinking that this might be a touch undergraded but I won't know for sure until I have the coin in hand. Anybody here think that this has a shot at MS65?

Photo is that of the seller.

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Impossible to say based on those pictures.
CCCS & ICCS normally grade conservatively - it might get a bump up to a 65 by NGC or PCGS and then again it might not

DoubleEagle59

Standards and grading philosophies between the US and Canadian grading companies are very different.

I'd keep it the way it is.

You have the benefit of a protective case for the coin and the best Canadian grading company's opinion (ICCS).

GotTheBug

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YQQ

it looks like that CCCS was the first grader. Louis is a very conservative grader at times.
ICCS has over the years relaxed a bit. so you were hoping to get a 65 out of it.
i assume so far you spent at least 25-30 Dollars everything included.....
and that on a $ 60 retail, coin. ( nobody pays that , even graded)
Now you want to spend another .. ??? what??? $ 50 at PCGS , or more..
and perhaps get a it to be a $300 RETAIL coin???
Perhaps it is time to ask yourself this: Do I have toooooo much money? For sure it is your dough.....
Maybe I should be buying a MS 65 at an auction or at J&M for 200-230?
I am just sort of joking here,, but I guess it has ring to it..

DoubleEagle59

<< <i>You have the benefit of a protective case for the coin and the best Canadian grading company's opinion (ICCS).

I'm surprised that someone would go to the expense of having the coin certified twice. In MS64 the value of the coin is not much more than the cost of the certification fees. It makes me think that the owner was shooting for a 65 and fell short. I am glad to have it in my collection however, since I am very fond of the young head Elizabeth design and the shield is a great piece of numismatic art. >>



I could be wrong, but I heard that this coin company, first had the coins graded at ICCS, then CCCS and then back again to ICCS.

I know that sounds silly, but this way, the coin has the hard case and the ICCS graded (with CCCS number on it).

For posters saying this is a waste of money, true, it is if they only submit one or two coins.

But this company had at least 100 (maybe more) and quite a few of them were very high valued items.

So it would average out at a lower cost value and the benefits are a Canadian coin with the best possible grading holder (hard case 'ICCS' holder).

YQQ

Eagle,
your theory makes sense. But how do you know which Co it is?
and, how often have we seen Louis grade higher than Brian?

DoubleEagle59

<< <i>Eagle,
your theory makes sense. But how do you know which Co it is?
and, how often have we seen Louis grade higher than Brian? >>



I believe it was Colonial Coins and if the situation is true that the coins were sent to ICCS, then CCCS and then back to ICCS, the grade would I believe, stay constant throughout.

Louis and ICCS are very compatible and then ICCS would know they graded it first, so the grade would stay the same, the second time ICCS saw it.

It's the only way to get a coin in a Canadian hard case alongwith an ICCS opinion, without the grade wavering around.

Don't forget, all these grading fees are a tax write-off for the dealer too (helps a little, I guess).

marcmoish

I kind of agree with YQQ , so at this point its just a waste of time, money and effort.

- and correctly noted just buy a nice 65 period.