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The slab and cert. say 1923, the coin looks like a 1928??

ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Seller claims PCGS label error on this Peace dollar. The cert. also says 1923. It does look like a 1928, I think??? My eyes aren't what they used to be. Wouldn't you have this taken care of before selling it???? eBay

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    100% a 1928

    i'm going to work on the holder now for authentication brb

    coin appears to be ok, so does the holder but the images are insufficient enough for precision work such is as needed, for me anyway
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  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    That "8" has been played with, either digitally or the slab has been opened. Either way, that 8 aint an 8.

    This is either a counterfiet slab or one that's been cracked out and put back together. The R in LIBERTY seems off as well. Could be a Chinese fake. There are just 3 VAMs for 1928. Go to the VAMWorld 1928P VAM page to compare; they have large images. That 8 is all wrong.
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  • AmigoAmigo Posts: 966 ✭

    IDK, but the obv appears to be over-graded. Perhaps that's a clue
  • philographerphilographer Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    looks good to me
  • CoinBuyer12CoinBuyer12 Posts: 205
    Maybe it's just the lightning, but that peace dollar looks cleaned.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    About a three hundred dollar mechanical error that our host would fix for free.
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doesn't look even close to a 58. Something's fishy.
    Lance.

    edited to add: The other obverse image in the auction gives a much different look than the one posted here.
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  • CoinBuyer12CoinBuyer12 Posts: 205


    << <i>Doesn't look even close to a 58. Something's fishy.
    Lance. >>



    More like a fine-12.

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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭✭✭
    look how different the 8 looks from the rest of the date...
  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭
    Reverse looks better than obverse.
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I vote strongly for "re-worked 3 into an 8".

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>Doesn't look even close to a 58. Something's fishy.
    Lance.

    edited to add: The other obverse image in the auction gives a much different look than the one posted here. >>



    IMO it looks just fine for a 58 although it does have ugly toning. The 58 might even be a net grade (due to ugly appearance) as I don't see any ware in the devices or fields but I cant say for sure with those pictures. That is a real coin with a real grade in a mistaken holder, that is all.
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>look how different the 8 looks from the rest of the date... >>



    I see what you see too, the 8 looks like an 8 but the other digits look like an 1,9 & 2. Completely different I agree !!
  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    I still say that the 8 is not anywhere near right...
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>look how different the 8 looks from the rest of the date... >>



    I see what you see too, the 8 looks like an 8 but the other digits look like an 1,9 & 2. Completely different I agree !! >>



    right, it's totally different!
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I vote strongly for "re-worked 3 into an 8".

    Run Forrest Run. >>



    Check the cert numbers a few numbers on either side of 26625716. They are all au/au58 Peace dollars; with 26627517 and 26627518 and 26627519 and 26627520 being 1923 au58s. You don't suppose it is possible that 2 of the coins got misholdered and that there is a 1923 au58 Peace dollar in the wrong holder. Maybe the 8 in that coin has some PMD. Perhaps folks should check a little more closely before drawing any conclusions about shenanigans. Looks to me like smoeone submitted a slew of au Peace bux.
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,018 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I recomend that you look at the 2 in a 1923 and the 2 in a 1928 then look at that coin again.

    the 2's should be different
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I recomend that you look at the 2 in a 1923 and the 2 in a 1928 then look at that coin again.

    the 2's should be different >>



    Contact PCGS and have them check the submission to see if there was even a 1928 Peace dollar in it. They shud be able to tell mucho pronto if there is smoething fishy or not.
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I recomend that you look at the 2 in a 1923 and the 2 in a 1928 then look at that coin again.

    the 2's should be different >>



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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mechanical error, seller is hoping it will bring more money uncorrected.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So is it a real 1928 or not?
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a crappy picture of an AU58 1928. I wouldn't pay any premium for a clerical error on the holder, though. I wonder if somewhere there's a 1923 in a 1928 holder with a similar serial number.
    John
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  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Funky looking coin IMHO.
  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That seller listed over a dozen Peace Dollars at the same time, of various dates, all in AU-low MS condition, all with weird toning. The toning is suspicious enough on some of them to wonder how it didn't body bag.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks to have been part of a bulk order, since there are a ton of AU58 1923s and other low value Peace dollars around it. The submitter didn't catch it and the graders didn't correct it, resulting in them not checking for authentic 1928 diagnostics. My concern now would be that it's a 28-S with removed mint mark or a fake 28 that slipped by under reduced scrutiny that must be given to AU 1923s. I'd want to see this one in person to verify the die markers. What would PCGS's liability be for a bad 1928 in a holder containing an obvious clerical error? The assumption when buying this coin would be that if the holder is genuine, which it seems to be, so is the coin.
    John
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mechanical label error will be corrected free of charge, but shipping both ways is responsibility of the slab owner.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 2 on that coin does have some sort of weird curl going up into the top of the 2.
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  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    I still say that the 8 is wrong. The spot where the two loops meet is too thick.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks to have been part of a bulk order, since there are a ton of AU58 1923s and other low value Peace dollars around it. The submitter didn't catch it and the graders didn't correct it, resulting in them not checking for authentic 1928 diagnostics. My concern now would be that it's a 28-S with removed mint mark or a fake 28 that slipped by under reduced scrutiny that must be given to AU 1923s. I'd want to see this one in person to verify the die markers. What would PCGS's liability be for a bad 1928 in a holder containing an obvious clerical error? The assumption when buying this coin would be that if the holder is genuine, which it seems to be, so is the coin. >>



    Couldn't be a bulk order, since those have to be 100 coin minimum [or so they say]. I scanned numbers on either side of that coin and there were maybe 25 coins and IIRC no 1928s. Of course if they called the 28 a 23 there wouldn't be any. Maybe smoeone could contact that seller and see if he has/had just the one error slab.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Seller claims PCGS label error on this Peace dollar. The cert. also says 1923. It does look like a 1928, I think??? My eyes aren't what they used to be. Wouldn't you have this taken care of before selling it???? eBay >>



    I wouldn't fix it if I thought it was worth more as an error.
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  • REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At $485 obo:
    Risk = high
    Reward = low to none.

    Stay away.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The 2 on that coin does have some sort of weird curl going up into the top of the 2. >>



    I saw that too, but think it is just one of those random toning spots scattered around the obverse.

    Good work with the comparative photos!
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So is it a real 1928 or not? >>



    Yes.
    The "1" in the date is a bit thinner on the 1928 vs the 1923.

    peacockcoins

  • moosesrmoosesr Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭
    They do make mistakes with this date sometimes!!


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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    I quickly went thru a neighbors box of Silver Dollars not too long ago;
    no rare dates, just common run of the mill stuff, but one Peace Dollar
    did catch my eye, what I thought at first was a 1928 in high AU grade.

    I was some what taken a back, as when I was a kid in the early 60's,
    I never found a 1928 Phila Peace. I was happy for my neighbor and told
    him, I'd get my 5X magnifier - just to have a better look - and to my sur-
    prise it turned out to be a 1923. Guess my eyes are nowhere as sharp as
    they were when I was sixteen .... fifty years later... I'm happy I' still in-
    volved with coins.

    Peace Dollars are not my series, and I really can't comment on the AU 58
    being discussed. At first glance, it looks okay to me. Then again...image
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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The certified AU-53 1923 sold by this eBay member here does not appear to be AU-53. I suspect a batch of fake coins in fake holders.

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