PART 2! Well I have seen it all now. ICG vs PCGS...WOW!!!

Wabbit2313

OK, so we have seen the PCGS Rattler cracked out and downgraded from a 64 to a 63 by ICG.


Which coin is better, the new ICG 63 1881-S, or the 1881-S posted right below it, also sent to ICG on a prior submission during my "self education" quest. (Yes, I know, many think I am wasting my money, but it is mine to waste so stop!)



Coinbuyer called severe damage on the 63, I wonder what kind of wisdom, (confusion) he will have on this!













1881-S from the prior ICG submission. (Grade withheld for now.)

roadrunner

The 2nd ICG 63 has many more facial hits keeping it back. It also has a slight rim bump near 12:00

I like the former rattler 64 better as a slight wipe is less noticeable to me than a buch of cheek chatter. A grader just might miss the field wipe. They will never miss cheek hits.

Wabbit2313

I have not revealed the grade yet, so please don't automatically assume it is a 63!

BustHalfBrian

IMHO, 63 is a fair grade on the ICG-graded coin.

Although there aren't any major abrasions to the cheek, there are some well-distributed bag marks on both the neck and fields, along with the luster being subdued (probably the result of a not-so-good dip).

With this said, I'd chose coin #2, even if it has a bit more chatter on the upper cheek. I just can't stand the washed-out luster on coin #1.

But again, just my honest opinion.

keyman64

I like the first one better.

thisnamztaken

I like the top one better (that shows the holder). The jaw scar and scrape/discoloration on the right field of the bottom one are too distracting.

roadrunner

I'd prefer to buy it in a 63 holder but would pay generic 64 money if in a PCGS/NGC holder. When it comes to common date dollars few dealers are too fussy about the quality.
If it's in the holder, it sells.

Rampage

The second one would be fairly graded at MS63, but is that PVC residue I see on the right side of the field?

REALGATOR

ICG - unc details - altered surface

coinkat

I see enironmental- PVC issues

It is your money and put your money to use in a way that makes you happy-

How many 1881-s Morgans will make you happy?

Wabbit2313

<< <i>I see enironmental- PVC issues

It is your money and put your money to use in a way that makes you happy-

How many 1881-s Morgans will make you happy? >>



I sure as Heck am not coin to start cracking out Redfield 1895-S Morgans and sending them! I can afford a few of these though!

coinkat

leave the 95-s as it is- that truly is a wonderful coin

scotty1419

Now the fun part, see what PCGS says currently!

Sonorandesertrat

Wabbit,
I am not convinced that this is a useful means to 'self education'. If you want to learn to spot fine grading differences involving uncirculated coins, the only effective way to do this is to look at a bunch (20-30) of them in hand, at one sitting, all slabbed with grades in a narrow spread (say, 62-64). This can be most easily done with generics (Morgans, Saints, Peace dollars, late date Walkers, and some other series). Looking at a couple at a time isn't particularly helpful, in part because there are multiple ways to arrive at particular grades of uncirculated coins (60-65 range).

Wabbit2313

Woops, I thought it was an 81-S, it's an 81-P. $600 coin!!

19Lyds

Sometimes, stuff just doesn't make sense.