If Lefty Grove isn't famous, why was he so readily accepted into a museum with the word Fame in the name
Johnny Mize is easily the best player who the Baseball Writers decided wasn't Famous enough for it
Best players who are least well known are all Negro League players
Among Major League players: C Bill Freehan 1B Phil Cavarretta 2B Dick McAuliffe SS Cecil Travis 3B Bob Elliott LF Bob Johnson CF Amos Otis RF Johnny Callison P Dave Stieb
<< <i>If Lefty Grove isn't famous, why was he so readily accepted into a museum with the word Fame in the name >>
Yes, he is a HOFer, but he never, ever shows up on any of the "best of all time" discussions.
Leading the league in strikeouts 7 years in a row, and winning the ERA title 9 times, all during a hitters' era. I'll go as far as saying there has never been a pitcher so dominant in a 15 year stretch as Grove. Sure, he made the '76 Topps All-Time Team, but his greatness is rarely brought up nowadays.
1932 Texas League Player of the Year 1935 Most Valuable Player Award 1935 Sporting News Most Valuable Player Award 1940 Most Valuable Player Award 1940 Sporting News Most Valuable Player Award 1956 National Baseball Hall of Fame
It's rare to see Jackie Robinson mentioned as a choice for being among the very best second basemen in history, yet a reasonable argument could be made. Doesn't mean he isn't famous (it's actually the rare case of fame overshadowing his ability). (Grove is the fourth best pitcher in history)
what a thread.....only 5 HOFers listed already? 2 of which are considered by many to be among the top couple dozen greatest to ever play (Grove and Greenberg)
Fame, to me, means you have transcended your profession. I know very few non-baseball folks who are familiar with Greenberg. Conversely, there are millions worldwide who know Yogi, Ruth and even Barry Bonds, yet they have never seen a single game. That to me is the difference between "great players" and "famous players"
fiveniner mentions a GREAT one. Vern Stephens! I defy anyone who doesn't collect 48 Leaf to tell me much about him.
Vern led his league in RBI 3 times at shortstop! His .815 career OPS was great out of a defensive position the 40's and 50's. He finished Top 5 MVP 3 times on some terrible Red Sox and Browns teams. Yes, he had some RBI totals because he hit behind Ted Williams. But he should get some credit for coming through when Williams was always on. Also, his 1949 season .290/.391/.539 w/ 39 HR and 159 RBI at shortstop is absolutely crazy.
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He played 15 ML seasons - a quality utility player - 215 HR's - not shabby - so a power hitter IMO.
He played in 5 All-star games, was the 1981 WS MVP, 1982 Silver Slugger...
Johnny Mize is easily the best player who the Baseball Writers decided wasn't Famous enough for it
Best players who are least well known are all Negro League players
Among Major League players:
C Bill Freehan
1B Phil Cavarretta
2B Dick McAuliffe
SS Cecil Travis
3B Bob Elliott
LF Bob Johnson
CF Amos Otis
RF Johnny Callison
P Dave Stieb
<< <i>If Lefty Grove isn't famous, why was he so readily accepted into a museum with the word Fame in the name >>
Yes, he is a HOFer, but he never, ever shows up on any of the "best of all time" discussions.
Leading the league in strikeouts 7 years in a row, and winning the ERA title 9 times, all during a hitters' era. I'll go as far as saying there has never been a pitcher so dominant in a 15 year stretch as Grove. Sure, he made the '76 Topps All-Time Team, but his greatness is rarely brought up nowadays.
Also, I like the Amos Otis mention.
1932 Texas League Player of the Year
1935 Most Valuable Player Award
1935 Sporting News Most Valuable Player Award
1940 Most Valuable Player Award
1940 Sporting News Most Valuable Player Award
1956 National Baseball Hall of Fame
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Vern led his league in RBI 3 times at shortstop! His .815 career OPS was great out of a defensive position the 40's and 50's. He finished Top 5 MVP 3 times on some terrible Red Sox and Browns teams. Yes, he had some RBI totals because he hit behind Ted Williams. But he should get some credit for coming through when Williams was always on. Also, his 1949 season .290/.391/.539 w/ 39 HR and 159 RBI at shortstop is absolutely crazy.
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