1979-80 OPC Pack PSA 10 Auction - Unfortunate

calgarycollector

Looks like this pack advertised as PSA 10, POP 6 was damaged in transport and some poor individual will buy the holder and not the pack for around $1000 if I had to guess. Damn those old PSA pack holders.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-O-Pee-Chee-OPC-Hockey-Unopened-Wax-Pack-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-POP-6-ONLY-/370742845370?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid=111000&algo=REC.CURRENT&ao=1&asc=27&meid=5081681691345191458&pid=100033&prg=1011&rk=1&sd=370742845370&

I guess that's why it is consigned, hear no evil, speak no evil, maybe bid it up yourself and celebrate.

Dboneesq

This is easier.

vladguerrero

Classy move by the seller to not saying anything other than it's a PSA 10 POP 6.

ReggieCleveland

That's an honest seller so I'm sure they wrote in the description how there is a tear in the wrapper even though the slab says Gem Mint 10.

calgarycollector

I must have missed that in the description Reggie.......

Thanks for the link fix Dboneesq

ReggieCleveland

Wait. You're saying the seller DIDN'T mention the tear? Shocking. They were probably just too busy. I used the "too busy" excuse in court and the judge threw out all charges against me. That stuff is pure gold.

calgarycollector

Busy helps but that label does say PSA 10 so who are we to question the grading practices of the industry leader, that's in the forum rules I think. Therefore if it says PSA 10 it must be PSA 10!

ReggieCleveland

In all fairness to PSA, I'd bet cash money that the tear happened in transit post-slabbing. The new holders are much better at preventing this.

calgarycollector

Reggie my sarcasm wasn't clear enough lol. Yes it was a PSA 10 at one point.

llafoe

What a shame!

MilehighHOF

The seller posted 2 pictures that clearly show the damage to the pack and he offers a 14 day money back guarantee. Does he really need to describe it?

calgarycollector

Yes. The headline reads one of six PSA 10's and will be bid as such.

While some form of buyer beware is required it is clearly advertised as something it is not.

johnckhall

I'm pretty sure the pack was graded a 10 at one point and is being sold as such. If anyone places a bid without looking at the high res pictures, then that's their own fault. It's not like this is a BIN with a super price that you have to snap up immediately. You can look at the pics and decide for yourself if you'd bid on the item or not. I have no problem with the seller listing the item as it is graded with CLEAR pictures of the damage. It says to me he's not trying to hide it from anyone.

vladguerrero

<< <i>I'm pretty sure the pack was graded a 10 at one point and is being sold as such. If anyone places a bid without looking at the high res pictures, then that's their own fault. >>



As a responsible buyer yes, you should take responsibility for what you buy by examining the pictures, and likewise read the description as so many people are using generic photos.

But as a responsible seller you are supposed to use the space provided to...



<< <i>How to include more details about the item's description As a seller, you can use the condition description field to help buyers learn more about the condition, age, and history of your item. This is where you should enter any details about the item's condition. Does the item have any flaws or defects? >>





<< <i>Listing practices For a satisfying and fun experience on eBay, we're helping sellers list their items in the most effective ways possible. As general rules, sellers have to: Select a category that matches the item for sale. Provide a clear, honest, and accurate description about the item. >>



You mean to tell me that space under the title and pictures is for a item description? I've always thought it was space for free advertising in a consignors auction.

ReggieCleveland

If you're going to advertise it as a PSA 10 with the low pop in the title then also mentioning the tear in the wrapper is equally pertinent. Many people may not know about the issue with the old PSA holder and never think to check the scan for a tear. So those people should just get the shaft because they were ignorant?

JohnckHall, are you some how affiliated with Probstein? You're averaging about a post a week since you joined yet you were all over the Probstein thread immediately defending him.

johnckhall

I don't have anything to do with Rick. I did consign quite a few cards with him just before Christmas. The cards ended on Thursday night and I had payment in my paypal the next day. It was a flawless experience. The guy has almost perfect ebay feedback, except for a few disgruntled buyers. I don't understand why some people have a personal vendetta against him. I am defending him based on my own personal experience with his business, his personal phone calls, and the top notch service he provided. This type of childish behavior is exactly why I decided this hobby was not for me any more. I'm sure there are some great guys on here that still collect for the fun of it though. I have more important things to do than sit around and point out what mistakes a seller is making and then bash him (sarcastically) for doing so. I'll leave it that and everyone can continue as they were.

PS: Even though I didn't post a lot, I did read quite a bit and I learned a great deal of valuable information that was very helpful. To that I say . . . Thanks!

cincyredlegs

Obviously the seller is just not very well versed with un-opened product. The board has had to point out to him on multiple occasions that he is selling bogus un-opened product. Some of them are not that hard to tell either.

Mark

PFB

Couple of questions - does anyone know who's this is? I have 3 / 6 packs (just curious) PSA 10 packs. I would have to agree, it's not up to the consignor to mention this - picture is posted, and people can decide if they think it's worth purchasing. I have dealt with Rick on several occasions. Great to deal with, instant payment.

My real question is this - the pack (and any PSA pack for that matter) has been graded by PSA as a 10. Since PSA has a sub par pack design, which can allow for tears to occur post encapsulation, is the pack still a PSA 10? Does it drive down the value?

Any thoughts?

PeteZaria

<< <i>is the pack still a PSA 10? Does it drive down the value?
>>



As long as it's in that holder, it's a PSA 10. But, yes, the value is now lower.

cincyredlegs

Peter,

I think a certain amount of collectors (I don't know the exact %) would say this is not a PSA 10 pack due to the rip and would bid accordingly. I think someone else mentinoned this earlier, "buy the pack, not the holder".

Mark

ReggieCleveland

<< <i>Couple of questions - does anyone know who's this is? I have 3 / 6 packs (just curious) PSA 10 packs. I would have to agree, it's not up to the consignor to mention this - picture is posted, and people can decide if they think it's worth purchasing. I have dealt with Rick on several occasions. Great to deal with, instant payment.

My real question is this - the pack (and any PSA pack for that matter) has been graded by PSA as a 10. Since PSA has a sub par pack design, which can allow for tears to occur post encapsulation, is the pack still a PSA 10? Does it drive down the value?

Any thoughts? >>



If that pack were cracked out and resubmitted it would absolutely NOT come back a PSA 10. Other people here are much more familiar with how much a wrapper tear affects a pack's grade but it would be a significant hit.

PeteZaria

<< <i>Peter,

I think a certain amount of collectors (I don't know the exact %) would say this is not a PSA 10 pack due to the rip and would bid accordingly. I think someone else mentinoned this earlier, "buy the pack, not the holder".

Mark >>



Yeah, I'm just saying that it's technically still a 10, but I doubt that anyone would still pay PSA 10 money for it. If I put it on ebay, I would put "PSA 10, but damaged" in the title.

Archaninator

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