Guess the grade: British 1745 Half (1/2) crown

marcmoish

Guess the grade ...









Edited to add; I'll try to upload better pics if that's even possible

OldEastside

AU55 its just a guess though

Steve

7Jaguars

Pictures? Not showing on my monitor...

My bad...there it is, at last.... Brit EF,
because of discoloration and toning might
be relegated to GVF.

TPG grade IMO about AU50.

JCMhouston

I would agree with something in the AU50-55 range in the US.

lordmarcovan

I'm with 7Jags. About AU50 from a US TPG, I guess.

PS- nice coin. I sorta like that "discoloration", personally.

Pokermandude

gVF/aEF. Inequivalent to probably AU50 or 53 in US TPG standards.

ajaan

AU

RobP

Around VF on the obverse - flat eye and wear to the cheek. The reverse looks a bit better but it is difficult with the toning.

CoinJunkie

I'll guess XF45.

marcmoish

Here's thankfully better pics - kudos to Web Resizer I just recently discovered;








The guesses are remarkably accurate overall - I'm impressed - will post slab + grade later or tomm !

coinkat

There looks to be a general weakness on the obverse which may be more attributable to the strike. However, there is wear that leads me to believe 50 is it on the high side and 45 is more plausible

bidask

<< <i>AU55 its just a guess though

Steve >>

I say 55 too.

marcmoish

This cool piece has great eye appeal that's why most have it at AU50-55

You are correct to guess this one as such.

In hand IMHO it's a lock TPG AU53 because the obverse equals AU50 (even EF45 is correct somewhat BUT the reverse is a lock AU58.

Seems our hosts chose to grade the Obverse only

The wear this one has, and it does, is subtle and retoned or discoloration (which is yummy agreed) - is actually a plus here for sure.

I will admit I was surprised that it came back EF45 but I would rather have an under-graded coin versus a hyped up push-the-limit example...well, in most case that is!

EVillageProwler

I won't bother to say my guess, mostly because grading off a blown up image is a questionable endeavor. I do, however, enjoy the look of the piece.

My comment, however, has to do with PCGS' grading: they do tend to stress much more heavily on the obverse than the reverse. Not sure why, but my personal preference is similar to yours (about getting an under-graded piece rather than an over-graded one). Consequently, I feel the appropriate grade should be an average of the two sides, with the obverse given much more weight. In other words, the reverse seldom helps the grade but can hurt it.

At least that has been my experience in the light-side world...

The quirky thing about the above obverse-heavy grading scheme in the dark-side world is that for many dark-side coins it is hard to tell which is obverse and which is reverse.

EVP

Cocoinut

Before I saw the grade, I was thinking it was an AU55. The reverse certainly seems to have AU details, and I attributed the weakness on the obverse to strike rather than wear.

Nice coin for the grade!

Jim

MacCrimmon

The reason this coin's grade is weighted on the obverse is because the reverse, save for the four field openings and strike, has virtually even "touch points" which are akin to high rims; i.e. no real place to discern wear accurately.

If I had a thruppence for every Gothic florin I've seen with a near perfect reverse and a battle-axe bust, I'd be rich. XF45 seems about right. The EAC guys would call it XF45, choice.

RobP

Unless you are going to label it with a different number for each side, the lower of the numbers is one you should take. By all means buy it because one side looks more appealing than the number would suggest, but ultimately the lower grade should determine price if going on wear. I guess opinions on this matter depend on whether people collect by number or contents.

Based on the obverse wear, I couldn't give it better than VF which in my view makes even 45 seem generous with 40 more appropriate. The reverse does look maybe 10(?) points higher.

coinkat

The uniform flatness on the obverse high spots is wear and the color seen with the pattern of wear on the obverse is clear. Look at the eye and that seals a 45 instead of a 50

MacCrimmon

cut/paste this URL, and you'll actually see the reverse has quite a bit of "commerce" in those field openings. That said, the wear in very contemporary and the coin has been carefully handled since acquiring its toning.


WARNING: This is the 'pizza pie' version.


http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/24948226_max.jpg

marcmoish

really nice Mac what is it graded and by whom?


These boards have a trunkloads of astute collectors and knowledge - what an asset for those that follow these threads.

CoinJunkie

<< <i>really nice Mac what is it graded and by whom? >>


Um, that's your coin!

MacCrimmon

<< <i>really nice Mac what is it graded and by whom?


These boards have a trunkloads of astute collectors and knowledge - what an asset for those that follow these threads. >>




marc, that's the PCGS Trueview image of the Lima 1/2 cr. you showed for "guess the grade".

marcmoish

losing my mind - disregard understood