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1986 Fleer Michael Jordan PSA 9

owen21owen21 Posts: 12 ✭✭
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I am looking for some advice in regards to a

1986 Fleer Michael Jordan PSA 9

I know the PSA cases have changed a little over the years and I just wanted your informed opinion on this case...does it all look OK...?

Thanks I appreciate any help...


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  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭
    I would say fake.. The rounded corners on the flip scares me. I have never seen them rounded like that.
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  • owen21owen21 Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Yeah something doesn't feel right....I guess I just wanted to hear other's opinions as it just looks unusual....

  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    If you can check out the card in person, bring along a loupe and check out the basketball on the back.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    The slab itself doesn't look right- corners are too rounded and the slip is down too far from the top. Also the ridges in the middle that hold the card in place look too thick. Maybe I'm wrong and this is an early slab.
  • Foo3112Foo3112 Posts: 1,961
    I don't like the label and the centering either - especially for a 9. Pass this one up. You shouldn't be purchasing anything that you are having doubts about.
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    fake
  • DerekDDerekD Posts: 388 ✭✭
    Fake. Also, the ridges that hold the card in are angled at the ends. I think they've always been straight, especially for any labels without the hologram on the back.




    << <i>The slab itself doesn't look right- corners are too rounded and the slip is down too far from the top. Also the ridges in the middle that hold the card in place look too thick. Maybe I'm wrong and this is an early slab. >>

  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    as phony as an online girlfriend.
  • MauriceMaurice Posts: 1,136
    It is not a real PSA holder.
  • verb1verb1 Posts: 102
    Real or not, I wouldn't spend that kind of money on that centering.
  • owen21owen21 Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Hi guys thank you for your insight...I raised my concerns with the seller and he assured me that they are real and asked me to post more pictures for you guys to assess.....

    can you have a look and let me know if it confirms your ideas or changes them...



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  • MauriceMaurice Posts: 1,136
    Again, it is not a real PSA holder.
  • BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926 ✭
    Granted I don't have and example of every generation of PSA slab made, but I checked through what I do have and could find nothing even close to what you are showing.
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  • maddux69maddux69 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not only is that not a PSA holder, but there is no way that Jordan would grade a 9. The centering and the corners would bring the grade to around a 7.5 at best.
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  • CowboysFan79CowboysFan79 Posts: 20


    << <i>Real or not, I wouldn't spend that kind of money on that centering. >>



    The OP has made no comments about price or what he was willing to pay.
  • Yankees001Yankees001 Posts: 1,496 ✭
    PSA has a PSA Logo in the plastic case on the bottom. I did not see the logo in the scans.

    I would probably say fake.

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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is NOT a PSA slab. As already mentioned, I don't see the "PSA" letters on the plastic bottom right and I don't see the tamper-evident tabs on the edges of the slab.

    Definitely a fake in my opinion.

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  • verb1verb1 Posts: 102


    << <i>

    << <i>Real or not, I wouldn't spend that kind of money on that centering. >>



    The OP has made no comments about price or what he was willing to pay. >>



    Ummm, I'm assuming a mint Jordan RC would be "that kind of money." If it's being offered for anything but, that'd be double reason to just say no.
  • owen21owen21 Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Thanks guys I really appreciate you helping me out I have been a member here a while but really have been just reading threads...I am going to embark on the 1986 Fleer set and might put a few up for analysis.

    To the guys who are familiar with the Jordan Fleer RC do you think this card might be legit but in a fake case?

    it seems to have all the correct markings for a real jordan but not a PSA 9

  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>To the guys who are familiar with the Jordan Fleer RC do you think this card might be legit but in a fake case? >>



    I need to see the card in hand, and especially the back of the card to determine if it is a fake.
  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭
    You seem to be really trying to talk yourself into believing that this is not a scam. You have already been told that this is a fake/counterfeit PSA holder. But, you still want to believe that the card may be real. If the card were truly real and unaltered, why would there be any need to put it in a fake PSA holder? You have all the information you should need to walk away from this deal. It's up to you whether you do or not.
  • ArchaninatorArchaninator Posts: 827 ✭✭✭
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hiya Owen

    Didn't find a "1640" era graded card - but did find a "1639(0123)" holder.

    The flip is "square" and as was said - and I believe - ALL plastic holders have a embossed "PSA" logo in the plastic - plus the style of the "corners" - from the original "Arrowhead" holder - are wrong - along with the design of all the plastic "borders" is all wrong.

    The holder is a very bad knockoff IMO. So - I'm guessing the card is a fake?
    Mike
  • owen21owen21 Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Thanks guys....your are correct the seller is a longtime trader and collector on another site who does not have a history of any deception or poor dealings.

    I will share your thoughts with him and give the deal a miss....I really appreciate you all making the time to help me out.....

    Regards Owen
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely counterfeit...the raised PSA logo is missing from the bottom of the holder for pete's sake, lol..


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  • owen21owen21 Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Yeah it is very disappointing for the seller. I honestly believe he was not aware it was a fake. I have suggested if he feels the card is legit he should send it in to be regraded.
  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,665 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have you already bought this card? My spider senses are saying you have.
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  • owen21owen21 Posts: 12 ✭✭
    No spider I didn't image

    The seller is disappointed though... Told him to regrade it ...
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