Should PSA offer a restoration service?
llafoe
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PCGS offers a restoration service. Is it/would it be acceptable for PSA to offer a restoration service? They could use Gone with the Stain for their restoration service like they use BBCE for their unopened pack service.
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Then they would know for sure that it's altered stock.
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<< <i>Just saw this restoration job... it cost the client $10,500 to have this card restored, but what a remakable restoration!!!!!
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Wow. That's not a restoration, that's rebuilding the card with fill and new content. I personally don't think that card is "Authentic" any more.
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<< <i>Just saw this restoration job... it cost the client $10,500 to have this card restored, but what a remakable restoration!!!!!
T206 Honus Wagner >>
Wow. That's not a restoration, that's rebuilding the card with fill and new content. I personally don't think that card is "Authentic" any more. >>
That's a good question (not that you asked it, but you made me think of it)
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Purely speculation on my part, but could this be a testimonial from our very own bobbyw who I believe just happens to hail from North Carolina?
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<< <i>How is "restoring" different than "altering"? >>
For me, the line falls here - if you're adding things to the card, you're altering. If you're removing things, you're restoring.
IOW, stain removal isn't altering, as you're only removing something that wasn't originally part of THAT CARD. Whether it's a chemical bath or using the wife's pantyhose to remove surface wax, it's about the same in my book. Adding missing content like this is the high-tech equivalent of a sharpie on the edges of 71's.
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How about removing a wrinkle or hairline crease...that would be restoring?
<< <i>if you're adding things to the card, you're altering. If you're removing things, you're restoring.
How about removing a wrinkle or hairline crease...that would be restoring? >>
Good question.Those things were there when the card was made, so by my definition fixing them would be altering. Might be why I've never tried fixing them.
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I for one don't think that we need another contoversial issue to further divide our hobby.
IMO any bleaching, blanching, dipping, dunking, submersing, coloring, pressing, etc should not exist. I thought that was why "professional grading" existed in the first place ---- to detect these issues.
comparing to the removal of a light residue with panty hose or a cloth is another apple vs. orange.
<< <i>For me, taking anything off of a card, that wasn't put on it at time of mfg, isn't altering >>
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When you rebuild a card, trim it, add color, that is restoring a card. Removing ink, gum, spider wrinkles, items that were never on the card in the first place, and only added later - that is fine.
<< <i>I don't think PSA themselves should get into the restoration business. There have been a lot of discussions on what constitutes altering and/restoration. For me, taking anything off of a card, that wasn't put on it at time of mfg, isn't altering. I will use water and a Q-tip on a card. For me, anything else is altering. There is no definitive answer though. Each person really needs to draw their own boundaries. Many people I talk to feel the same way I do. That doesn't make it right or wrong though. >>
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I feel the same way Leon. Good post.
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<< <i>Just saw this restoration job... it cost the client $10,500 to have this card restored, but what a remakable restoration!!!!!
T206 Honus Wagner >>
Wow. It would be cool to see a time-lapse video of the restoration.
<< <i>From Gone with the Stain's website:
“The level of Dick’s work is just amazing! Was able to remove spider wrinkles from my card with no evidence of them having been there in the first place! I am totally blown away!” – Robert W. | NC
Purely speculation on my part, but could this be a testimonial from our very own bobbyw who I believe just happens to hail from North Carolina? >>
Bobby is it you?
I'm against restored cards for some reason. Not exactly sure why???
They would lose their integrity in my opinion. How could you ever really believe the card was not altered, when they openly admit to altering them. I just feel this would be the end of PSA.
Dave