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OOPS....I bought another raw Buff....The grade is in if ya wanna see....

crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Here's a 25-s I've rolled the dice on. Yes it's raw and I already have one but this is a tough date and couldn't pass. Thoughts? Thanks for looking....CHD


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  • OperationButterOperationButter Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    Cant offer the insight many can on this board but I can say that is a very nice picture of a fun series!
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tough to grade without being able to see luster, but I'll assume you wouldn't have bought it otherwise.

    MS63.
  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 was my first thought, but will bump for overall cleanliness to a 64.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>tough to grade without being able to see luster, but I'll assume you wouldn't have bought it otherwise.

    MS63. >>



    In my opinion it's better than my 62 of the same date and mint mark, not as pretty though.

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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭
    I don't know the series well enough to give a meaningful comment but I'd like to say your picture is just fantastic! What kind of setup do you have?
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't know the series well enough to give a meaningful comment but I'd like to say your picture is just fantastic! What kind of setup do you have? >>



    I use a Nikon D-3100 with a Sigma Macro lens. I have a copystand and enjoy imaging my coins. Thanks for the complement!
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the "new coin" looks like an earlier die state with less fatigue and a slightly better strike. the "old coin" is more in line with what I'm used to seeing you post, album-toned eye candy!!
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>the "new coin" looks like an earlier die state with less fatigue and a slightly better strike. the "old coin" is more in line with what I'm used to seeing you post, album-toned eye candy!! >>



    I agree 100%...I'm sure it's a better strike and I also agree it looks like an earlier die state my damn self. I really paid up for the toned 25-S. Set me back a bit LOL...Thanks again Keets.....CHD
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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like there's some pretty extensive die polish on the reverse. It's a nice die state, too.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like there's some pretty extensive die polish on the reverse. It's a nice die state, too. >>



    I agree. It's a clean planchet too so I jumped in. I purchased this coin for a great price and will send it in this week to our host for grading. Thanks for looking and your comment.
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  • Crazy4CoinsCrazy4Coins Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭
    Both are nice coins. Toning on your 62 is way cool. Maybe I need to start looking a raw coins too!
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  • milkcoinmilkcoin Posts: 583 ✭
    Oops!
  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Love the toning!!
    Nothing like a nice Buff to cheer up the day!!!!image

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  • CyStaterCyStater Posts: 681 ✭✭✭
    I like it. I have to say though that I think Buff's are the absolute hardest coin for me to even attempt to throw a grade out there for. They all look circulated to me.....
  • sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful buff!
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't see it grading higher than your other one. Weakly struck late die state might throw the grade off.
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They all look circulated to me.....

    that's because during this time period the Philadelphia Mint was still in control of how many working dies went to which Branch Mint. the example most collectors are familiar with that resulted from this practice is the 1922 No D Lincoln Cent. dies were used well past their reasonable life for most of the 1920's and this Buffalo is what we get, a coin which looks weakly struck or lightly circulated. hence, my first post comment to Joe about luster; it's the only way to tell uncirculated-ness. image
  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it's uncirculated, i would guess a 62 but could go 63. Looks like a nice example of a very difficult issue.
    Let us know how it goes. Great images as usual.image

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Understanding the striking issues with the date, and that it is nearly impossible to truly judge luster from the image, I see a high-AU coin. To me the luster looks broken on the cheek (obverse) and the bison's body (reverse). I'll be very happy if you send the coin into our hosts and I'm proven wrong.


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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭
    I'm seeing enough rub (as evidenced by breaks in toning on reverse) to knock it down to AU-58 - but still a lovely coin!
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Overall, the 25-S is probably the ugliest date/mm issues in the entire Buffalo Nickel series and is thus difficult to find nice specimens. Really nice specimens are pretty much impossible.

    I see this piece as a 63 with a decent chance at 64. Usually the difference between these two grades depends on how much of the first two digits of the date you can see. This specimen also has nice original surfaces.

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  • capecape Posts: 1,621 ✭
    Nice coin..... but either au 58 or ms 63.
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eye don't see any rub. The 25-S that's graded 62 looks more AU than this one does image
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  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    I am in the AU crowd and sold raw for a reason. I call it a 3 out of 5 though, send it in raw 5 times and you will get a ms 3 times or a au 3 times out of 5. I would stop at the first ms grade.image
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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin is not Unc. Sorry. Look at the hip of the bull.
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin is not Unc. Sorry. Look at the hip of the bull.


    No apologies needed, like you have the last word on the grade. Give me a break. I see friction rub at the hip bone and nothing else. Sorry, what the heck are you apologizing for??
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice example of a very tough coin.
    I can't see rub in the pics and it is tough with this die state to judge from a pic. You need the coin in hand to really tell.
    I think CHD is pretty sharp in this series and if he can't see wear with the coin raw, then I trust his call. He know his Buffs.
    Good luck CHD, this one could be a real good score for you.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Understanding the striking issues with the date, and that it is nearly impossible to truly judge luster from the image, I see a high-AU coin. To me the luster looks broken on the cheek (obverse) and the bison's body (reverse). I'll be very happy if you send the coin into our hosts and I'm proven wrong. Sean Reynolds >>



    I would agree. Just the tiniest of high point discoloration/friction on several areas. Luster a bit subdued and weak. Could get graded anything from 58 to 62.

    That toner MS62 is way cool. And it has very thick and vibrant frost.
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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    Really interesting metal flow lines under the Buff.
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  • milkcoinmilkcoin Posts: 583 ✭
    AU at best!
  • biosolarbiosolar Posts: 164 ✭✭
    I can't say 1 way or the other, but if it comes back an AU could we talk. I would like it for my own collection.

    Nick
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • RonBRonB Posts: 638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats!
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  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice going!!!!
    Congratulationsimage

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice going!!!!
    Congratulationsimage >>



    Thanks! I'm happy about it.
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  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way to go, Joe! Tough date and a great result.image

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  • LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    Youdaman! For me the Buffs are the toughest to grade.
  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Eye don't see any rub. The 25-S that's graded 62 looks more AU than this one does image >>



    I absolutely agree on that.
    Your new piece is a nice find. This issue is truly horrible (one old guy here once said "the mint should have been ashamed of themselves"), but I actually find it pretty cool. Poor issues make the series more varied and interesting, and point up how the treasury went through good times and bad. One particularly compelling thing is that poor issues were due to federal belt-tightening and saving money by elongating the life of dies, even sending worn ones from one mint to another. The Feds would never do that now. They'd just print more money to print more money, if you get my drift.
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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,469 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All I can say is Beauuutiful !!! imageimage

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Eye don't see any rub. The 25-S that's graded 62 looks more AU than this one does image >>



    I absolutely agree on that.
    Your new piece is a nice find. This issue is truly horrible (one old guy here once said "the mint should have been ashamed of themselves"), but I actually find it pretty cool. Poor issues make the series more varied and interesting, and point up how the treasury went through good times and bad. One particularly compelling thing is that poor issues were due to federal belt-tightening and saving money by elongating the life of dies, even sending worn ones from one mint to another. The Feds would never do that now. They'd just print more money to print more money, if you get my drift. >>



    Thanks bud. It is a tough date to grade and get it right. How things have changed at the mint over the years, eh!! Thanks to all....CHD
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This issue is truly horrible (one old guy here once said "the mint should have been ashamed of themselves"), but I actually find it pretty cool. Poor issues make the series more varied and interesting, and point up how the treasury went through good times and bad. One particularly compelling thing is that poor issues were due to federal belt-tightening and saving money by elongating the life of dies, even sending worn ones from one mint to another. >>



    I completely agree with Guy. This is what makes coin collecting interesting to me. The stories behind the making of a particular issue can be as interesting as the coin.

    Joe - You took a gamble buying this coin raw (I know it wasn't cheap), but I'm sure you're very pleased with the grade. Nice job.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>This issue is truly horrible (one old guy here once said "the mint should have been ashamed of themselves"), but I actually find it pretty cool. Poor issues make the series more varied and interesting, and point up how the treasury went through good times and bad. One particularly compelling thing is that poor issues were due to federal belt-tightening and saving money by elongating the life of dies, even sending worn ones from one mint to another. >>



    I completely agree with Guy. This is what makes coin collecting interesting to me. The stories behind the making of a particular issue can be as interesting as the coin.

    Joe - You took a gamble buying this coin raw (I know it wasn't cheap), but I'm sure you're very pleased with the grade. Nice job. >>



    When I was much younger I loved to play baseball, it was my passion. When I hit a home run it was the best feeling in the world, I would float, my feet would be of the ground for a while. This is as close as I can get to that feeling at my age, I feel like I hit a home run. Thanks for all the complements, it is very much appreciated.....Joe
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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats Joe. I like Buffs, but can't grade them (I would have said AU on this one) and would have to build my collection buying the PCGS label.

    I would love to do the set in AU55-58. I have the toughest one in 58. I have a 38-D in 58 with pretty color. How often do you see a 38-D in 58! image
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Congrats Joe. I like Buffs, but can't grade them (I would have said AU on this one) and would have to build my collection buying the PCGS label.

    I would love to do the set in AU55-58. I have the toughest one in 58. I have a 38-D in 58 with pretty color. How often do you see a 38-D in 58! image >>



    I think the question is ...How many folks submit an au 38-D image I never even thought about it. I bet it would be hard to build a set in just 55-58 graded buffs. Let me know how ya do with this set and if I can help ya out it would be my pleasure. If your interested send me a list of what your looking for and maybe I can help . All the best....CHD
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