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Is Ryan Howard Finished?

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mark your the expert, lets hear your thoughts and please throw in those geeky baseball stats that you always use.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,220 ✭✭
    You lose all your power and your eyes get worse when you eat too many low cal meals at SUBWAY!
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  • Howard was never as good as people thought he was to begin with! Because he had a lot of base runners on base(and runners who ran very well), his RBI totals were higher than that of what superior hitters could achieve who didn't have such luxuries. There were even posters on this board who felt he was better than Pujols, or 'more valuable', LOL.

    Then the Phillies happened to win one World Series because they had an excellent team(along with Howard being a good player too), and Howard had a lucky post season series or two and somehow he got nicknamed 'clutch city' and was proclaimed as a 'winner'....however as more post season appearances accumulated, he regressed and was god awful, striking out a million times in a row, and even being the last out in TWO different series! Clutch city he was not!

    Howard was an elite player for the period of ONE season. Very good for a few more, and has been pretty average the other years. Last year he was simply putrid.

    He turned 33, and while it is possible to put a decently good lucky year together still, he will most likely be very average to below. How amazing that the article states that he isn't finished yet...but then suggest he should be a platoon player!! 25 million for a platoon player? Ummm, that is finished to me!

    I kind of hope he doesn't platoon, because it would be enjoyable seeing him battle the Mendoza line while being paid 25 million dollars....and watching all those foolish Philly fans like SteveK cry!
  • CNoteCNote Posts: 2,070
    All that WHEAT he eats at Subway is probably affecting more than he knows.
  • orioles93orioles93 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Elite for one season? Id say he was pretty elite from 2006-2011. Especially 2006-2009.

    Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards

    2006 26 PHI NL 159 704 581 104 182 25 1 58 149 0 0 108 181 .313 .425 .659 1.084 167 383 7 9 0 6 37 *3 AS,MVP-1,SS

    2007 27 PHI NL 144 648 529 94 142 26 0 47 136 1 0 107 199 .268 .392 .584 .976 144 309 13 5 0 7 35 *3/D MVP-5

    2008 28 PHI NL 162 700 610 105 153 26 4 48 146 1 1 81 199 .251 .339 .543 .881 125 331 11 3 0 6 17 *3/D MVP-2

    2009 29 PHI NL 160 703 616 105 172 37 4 45 141 8 1 75 186 .279 .360 .571 .931 141 352 11 6 0 6 8 *3/D AS,MVP-3

    2010 30 PHI NL 143 620 550 87 152 23 5 31 108 1 1 59 157 .276 .353 .505 .859 127 278 14 8 0 3 11 *3/D AS,MVP-10

    2011 31 PHI NL 152 644 557 81 141 30 1 33 116 1 0 75 172 .253 .346 .488 .835 126 272 10 7 0 5 16 *3/D MVP-10

    9 Yrs 1098 4701 4054 661 1100 200 17 300 920 12 4 565 1306 .271 .364 .551 .915 135 2234 82 44 0 38 139

    162 Game Avg. 162 694 598 98 162 30 3 44 136 2 1 83 193 .271 .364 .551 .915 135 330 12 6 0 6 21
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  • Orioles,

    Like most fans, you are being influenced by the team dependent RBI stat, and aren't aware of the importance of OB%.

    That one season where he had the OPS+ of 167 he was still elite even for a bad fielding first baseman.

    Those couple years where he was in the 140's as a bad fielding first basement, he is not elite, and by elite I am talking about top ten or top 15 type player in the league. If you want to drop that line to a top 50 or top 75 player in the league...then sure he was elite.

    All those other years where he was below 130 in OPS+, and was still a bad fielding first basement...he isn't remotely close to being elite any way you slice it. If you want to call him elite compared to you or me, then yes...but he was not elite compared to MLB players.

    Those MVP rankings are more reflective of the stupidity and ignorance of the writers , and because he had a group of excellent teammates to insure his team would be near the top in the league(thus meaning he would get more MVP votes). Those votes however don't mean squat in determining how good a player he is/was.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Although I hate to admit it, I do agree that Ryan Howard is not an "Elite" player- agreeing with my friend Objectivity ofcourse makes it easy image

    I too was always in the crowd that looked at RBI #'s as a HUGE stat to gauge a player but its so true that its irrelevent, I love the big HR numbers but I would take less HR's for a higher OB%
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Howard was never as good as people thought he was to begin with! Because he had a lot of base runners on base(and runners who ran very well), his RBI totals were higher than that of what superior hitters could achieve who didn't have such luxuries. There were even posters on this board who felt he was better than Pujols, or 'more valuable', LOL.

    Then the Phillies happened to win one World Series because they had an excellent team(along with Howard being a good player too), and Howard had a lucky post season series or two and somehow he got nicknamed 'clutch city' and was proclaimed as a 'winner'....however as more post season appearances accumulated, he regressed and was god awful, striking out a million times in a row, and even being the last out in TWO different series! Clutch city he was not!

    Howard was an elite player for the period of ONE season. Very good for a few more, and has been pretty average the other years. Last year he was simply putrid.

    He turned 33, and while it is possible to put a decently good lucky year together still, he will most likely be very average to below. How amazing that the article states that he isn't finished yet...but then suggest he should be a platoon player!! 25 million for a platoon player? Ummm, that is finished to me!





    Maybe they could trade him to the Dodgers for their waterboy!

    I kind of hope he doesn't platoon, because it would be enjoyable seeing him battle the Mendoza line while being paid 25 million dollars....and watching all those foolish Philly fans like SteveK cry! >>

  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    False, Ryan Howard is an elite player. ...did you not see the price of the 2003 Bowmans Best in the group rip! Lol
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