Ok i think of my self as a good trader but then i see this....

vittleboy

"We're sorry, vittleboy
Your application for membership in Trader's Retreat was denied by the community's manager."

I have seen the member list at Trader's Retreat and i am 100% sure i have more refs then them and i have been here longer then alot of them. Ugh you know this is pushing me to just go to collecter empire and no were else. Sure i am really pissed that i didnt get in but Trader's Retreat could have given me a reason so i leave now so i can get a reason.

ilya

hehe, you're wwelcome at CE though

vittleboy

thanks ilya

vittleboy

TTT

cardnyou

yeah vittle...you dont have to be in their "CLIQUE".....or best friends with the moderators on there...come on over to the other side...break on thru,to the other side

Johnscottanthony

Do u want a private reason or public one? I can give you either? You let me know


JSA

ps, funny how ur applicantion said, i will understand either way if im let in or not............then u post this on CU........
I will wait for ur response

donniebaseball23

Cardnyou i love the Doors quote

injun01

yeah vittle...you dont have to be in their "CLIQUE".....or best friends with the moderators on there???

Tell me your kidding me in that response??

E!!

vittleboy

Johnscottanthony I can deal with it but i said i wanted to know why and you didnt tell me that. Go for it though let everyone know.

jbugs

well jsa i was supposed to get a reason y i didnt get excepted. from the way it looks u dont have a reason and ur full of shi*. im glad i didnt get in now. hell u said that my refs gave me negative feedback, lets see, ive talked to most and they all said u didnt contact them, so how does that work?? u just guess or what?? hell me and vittle probably have more refs rogether than everybody on "TR" put together.

jbugs

and jsa u said in 48 hrs u'd have the information for me, whats it been 4 days?? thats 1 bad deal for u already, christ!

jbugs

and jsa u said in 48 hrs u'd have the information for me, whats it been 4 days?? thats 1 bad deal for u already, christ!

donniebaseball23

jbugs your sorely misinformed if you think that you and vittleboy have more refs than everyone on TR and dont be spiteful man just cause you didnt get accepted your first time doesnt mean you couldnt get in on the second time (though i doubt it now after the fit your putting up)

RichyPF32

vittle and jbugs calm down..ive been trying to get into tr since it was scooby doo..you dont hear me crying so just drop it and keep applying..

injun01

Jbugs..I'll let you know..PUBLICLY..that's the way I do it. You were denied because you're immature and everytime I see one of these stupid, bashing, immature posts on CU..it ALWAYS has your name somewhere in it. Your response in THIS post is a prime example. TR is all about trading and getting along with eachother as people. You DEFINITELY don't carry yourself that way. JSA made comment that you'd get a response in 48 hrs....I wouldn't have given you the time. We at TR don't HAVE to be friends with the people we let in....we CHOOSE to be. We don't just let ANYONE in..cause we want to be 100% sure that the people in are the BEST..and will not stir up any trouble or have any troubles completing their trades. You on the other hand Jbugs..I've seen multiple posts on you scamming and just plain immaturity. I will draw this out no longer and hope you do the same.

Evan..(TR)

Johnscottanthony

Vittleboy,
You have had some suspect trades and some negative post here on CU, that has led me to believe that you wouldnt be a good fit for TR currently. If you would like me or possibly MPower to go to CU archives and pull up the info im talking about than i will. I personally reimburse anyone that is ripped off by a trade on TR. WIth this in mind that causes me to be cautious with who we select. That goes for you too Jbugs, but i believe Evan is handling ur case. I hope you understand my positon Vittleboy and my job to protect the members of my site. If u dont......u dont.......
Jbugs, ur comments and rage, only confirms u have no place on TR. Your language is uncalled for, but again proves you dont belong at TR where we dont tolerate that kind of stuff. SO suffice to say, ur comments say it all.

Cardnyou, i have no battle with you. You have done nice things on CU. And i will leave it at that. We have no clicks or buddy system on TR. Your rep has to speak for itself.

Ilya, I think of CE as a good site, but if you continue to let suspect and probelmatic traders in your site, my personal feeling is that you will have major problems.
We may not have as many members as CE, but thats because we hand select our members, and dont leave the door open for all to come. Being a TR member yourself "Ilya" you should appreciate that.


JSA

cardnyou

nah...just havin a bit of fun..thats what i do...thats my purpose here...to have fun.....i dont gripe...moan....BUT,i do cuss,drank,raise a lil haiti's at time,but nothin serious.....i have fun,shoulda had the name havinfun lol...oh well.....to each there own !!!

Iversons3ball

guys.........am I still welcome at CE?

Derrick

I liked the Doors quote as well. But James, your wife likes it when I sing a Door's tune that goes like this...

"C'mon baby light my fire!"

Now, she REALLY digs that...especially coming from her man Derrick! LOL

jbugs

hmm my immature attitude, go find another post besides this where i bashed, and acted immature?? ur making shi* up again buddy. and i believe in ur pm u told me I was rejected because of wait, u just told vittle the same thing, "You have had some suspect trades and some negative post here on CU, that has led me to believe that you wouldnt be a good fit for TR currently". hmmm were u lying then or now? WHUT UP NOW?

and where the hell do u see me scamming anybody?? huh?? get ur shi* straight before u say anything!

ilya

iverson3ball, sure why not, as long as you dont rip anyone there

remember, we get your email/ip/and other info that will be used for banning/busting you..

autobilia

<< <i>Vittleboy,
You have had some suspect trades and some negative post here on CU, that has led me to believe that you wouldnt be a good fit for TR currently. If you would like me or possibly MPower to go to CU archives and pull up the info im talking about than i will. I personally reimburse anyone that is ripped off by a trade on TR. WIth this in mind that causes me to be cautious with who we select. That goes for you too Jbugs, but i believe Evan is handling ur case. I hope you understand my positon Vittleboy and my job to protect the members of my site. If u dont......u dont.......
Jbugs, ur comments and rage, only confirms u have no place on TR. Your language is uncalled for, but again proves you dont belong at TR where we dont tolerate that kind of stuff. SO suffice to say, ur comments say it all.

Cardnyou, i have no battle with you. You have done nice things on CU. And i will leave it at that. We have no clicks or buddy system on TR. Your rep has to speak for itself.

Ilya, I think of CE as a good site, but if you continue to let suspect and probelmatic traders in your site, my personal feeling is that you will have major problems.
We may not have as many members as CE, but thats because we hand select our members, and dont leave the door open for all to come. Being a TR member yourself "Ilya" you should appreciate that.


JSA >>



Ahhh, I thought this was over and I tried to say out of this .. but.. it's time.

JSA, what do you know about CE and vBulletin software and it's capabilities? I can tell you plenty about MSN community because it is all the same. Answer this, how long will it take TR to get to 100 users? Anyone can provide e-mail addresses as references just like Rusnak did here with about 25 different e-mail addresses. Do you call up Yahoo and hotmail and verify all of those free e-mail addresses. Unless the user is on CU (which seems to be the main recruiting grounds for TR), how will you be able to verify their references?

"Suspect" and "Problematic" users can be banned with extreme prejudice. Let me tell you a little bit about vBulletin which is the best forum money can buy. Let me break down the process for you. For starters, everything is logged and I do mean everything. as a matter of fact, here's a stat from this month. "beckett.com 45 2%" which means an employee or employees from Beckett checked the site 45 times this month which is 2% of total hits. "upperdeck.com 2 0%" someone from Upper Deck stopped by twice. Ok, now when someone registers to CE, they have to give a valid e-mail address. Their account can't be activated unless they give a valid e-mail which that e-mail includes a link. You should know that, you registered to CE. Next, while on CE, your IP is logged into the software (how do you think we verified that BMWRacing was Brandon Rusnak?). Even if a person uses a Yahoo, Compuserve, Hotmail, etc. address, the software still logs your primary IP address which is where you connect to internet. Another thing installed, but haven't had a chance to test it, is that when you register, it checks to make sure your IP address isn't already in the database. If your IP address is in the database, it won't let you re-register again (preventing multiple usernames). When a person gets banned, they are banned by their e-mail address AND their IP address. So, they are locked out completely. I installed a point system on CE whereas when you complete a successful and satisfactory trade on CE, 1 point is given to each user which acts as a feedback rating. We also have a referal system in which each person is assigned a link to use (which we may use that as one of the contests when the Box Breaks & Review) stats which tells who referred who. Now, CE has been up since February 25th and I guarentee you that TR has had more problems that CE.

Back to security. Even if someone tries to hack into the admin control panel, it sends me an e-mail telling me what they entered, their IP address, what time they tried it, how many times, etc. Now, all I have to do is a nslookup on a person's IP address to find out where they are coming from. As in anywhere, I check up on all of our users. If they've ripped off someone, it will definately be posted somewhere. I'm basically just the admin and let the moderators handle the site (who are doing a great job at it).

And since you talk about the security of CE, let's talk about the growth of TR. Just like any admin, you want your site to grow. But how is a site going to grow if it has no way of growing (since most people get rejected). How long will it take for it to get 100 users? 2 years? What % of those users are not from CU? I hate the comparison of CE and TR because CE is a site which includes a forum. TR is more of a trading community. Can't compare the 2. It's like apples and oranges. Seems you are comparing your site to just CE's forum. That's like comparing a card shop to a mall. There may be a card shop in that mall, but there are a bunch of other things in there besides a card shop. So, I'm not going to go through this "comparison/competition" thing again.

Another thing that is holding TR back. A lot of companies and places don't take sites seriously that doesn't have their own unique URL. I'm not here to bash TR, because for the users to come here and defend it, it must be a great place to trade. But at the same time, I'm not going to listen to people criticize CE when they are completely clueless to what is going on at CE. Don't let the surface fool you. Now, as you and I know, everyone is capable of ripping someone off (people have been kicked from TR, right?). But once that happen, they are banned. Depending on the circumstances, while they are banned, if they make good on their trade, they can be re-instated and may be required to send first on trades. I installed something like Soccer. "Yellow" card and "Red" card which will let everyone know who is on a probationary basis. Also installed a "Honest Trader" award which let's everyone know who has traded and never had ANY problems. Just to share forum info with the users, they can click on "Statistics" which is located at the top of the main forum page to see the top referring sites, the top recruiters, the most used browsers, etc.

Bottom line, there is a ton of security options that you don't see. It's nowhere near as wide open as CU. So, before you go judging, do your research first.

vittleboy

Vittleboy stands up and bows to autobilia.

autobilia nows his stuff.

raf12

Autobilia,
In my own conversations with JSA, he's never had anything to say but good words and opinions about CE. I think you're being a little overly defensive here. I'm sure you'll disagree with that sentiment, but I still thought I'd have my say!
Peace...

autobilia

<< <i>Autobilia,
In my own conversations with JSA, he's never had anything to say but good words and opinions about CE. I think you're being a little overly defensive here. I'm sure you'll disagree with that sentiment, but I still thought I'd have my say!
Peace... >>



No, my problem is, I hate when people criticize how CE runs and is completely clueless about how it operates. It may look wide open like CU on the surface, but you'd be very surprise on what's inside. I have no beef or problem with TR. My only focus is on CE and the success of the site. Don't have time to worry about what everyone else is doing and this so called "competition" that people seem to bring up. The initial argurment was vittleboy and jbugs vs. TR. JSA is the one that brought up CE and the "suspect and problematic users that could cause major problems". Yet, he knows absolutely nothing about vBulletin. Now, if that was to come from Ilya who was running vBulletin a while back, I probably wouldn't have lashed out as much. It's not being overly defensive. I'm just tired of hearing this so called "competition" thing and people talking about things they know nothing about.

raf12

lol...
I'd be the first to admit to cluelessness in myself and the last to suspect it of you, autobilia

JErik20

Autobilia,

As a member of TR, i do not at all feel as though we are "held back" by denying applicants with any sort of questionable feedback. You seem to think that TR is handi-capped by it's not having 2000 members, but that is actually a bonus. A smaller group equals a closely-knit group, and i have made many friends there. A sure way to get into TR is make a few successful trades with trusted members of the group (most of which are active here and on other sites as well, so they are easy to find). So your praising vBulletin and downing the e-mail-reference system TR uses is irrelavent. If someone applies to TR with a lot of references, but none of which are with traders that the moderators KNOW they can trust, then they are usually denied. So if someone applied using 100 obscure e-mail addresses (ie Rusnak) then they will probably be declined if no trusted members have traded with any of them. I guess you saw this as an opportunity to display your technical knowlege of computer junk and to throw completely meaningless Beckett.com statistics at us, but no TR members are bashing other sites, so settle down. I am not sure who you are trying to impress

Erik

Johnscottanthony

Hmmmmmm, I think you took my comments wrong . I was in no way putting CE down or trying to compare TR to Ce. Both are good functional sites.
What i do question is letting members in CE that are known suspect or bad traders here on CU. If you already know from what you have seen on CU that a trader is suspect at best, why let them in? How long will it take to get 100 members? Hmmmm took us about 3 months as we have 117 members now with another 17 pending. Growth? Growth is not at the forefront of our priorities. We care about getting good traders who enjoy the hobby and want to trade. Being the biggest site with the most members, doesnt consistute it being the best. Just my opinion. Our site is a family, its more important for us to get the "right" members, than the most. You have some impressive new security systems.......They are nice and im sure they work well. But at TR its all about ur Rep, what u did last year or what u did today. It all counts for or against you. So Id rather stick to our old system of letting your repuatation talk for you, rather than having a great securtity mouse trap, to catch the fleet of foot scammer. Your system stops a bad trader from reentering (if i understand correctly) Ce "after" they rip someone..........Our old fashion check your refs system, stops the scammers "before" they get in. But again this is my opinion.
I dont want a war with you or CE, not because im trying to avoid conflicts, but because i believe we are both trying to create the same thing. "A safe and fun site to trade,sell and talk about sports on". Im a member of CE and am well aware of what it has, just as you have managers of CE who are members of TR.
I dont think there is any need to tear each other apart. I really believe we are on the same team. If you want to continue to put CE up against TR, so be it as Im game. But i think we would be more useful helping others separate the good traders from the bad.


JSA

autobilia

<< <i>lol...
I'd be the first to admit to cluelessness in myself and the last to suspect it of you, autobilia >>



Heh, since I put up CE, there seem to be a bunch of friction from the start. First with Hobbygab. That's because I use to be an IRCOP on collectorchat which is now Hobbygab. When collectorchat went down, we were meeting on Undernet which had tons of netsplits. As time passed, we could never get a direct answer to when collectorchat was going back up, so I just posted here. Then when people were complaining about getting ripped off, I promised a few users I would put up a site as an alternative to CU with moderation. Heh, 2 softwares, 4 database restarts, 100+ hours of coding and modifying, 4 moderators, etc. later.. here we are. I guess I was more ticked than anything because we've been down this road before and I thought it was over with. Apparently not.

vittleboy

"But i think we would be more useful helping others separate the good traders from the bad."


So what JSA that mean i am a bad trader. So all my refs me nothing i guess i should just stop tradeing because you know who is bad or good. thanks i need to know for sure.

raf12

I'd respond to autobilia if I knew what he said.

But I know what JSA is saying and I agree -- the trader's retreat is just that - a RETREAT where trusted friends get together and trade, chat, or hang out.

Autobilia may have created an empire, but I like our little banana republic at TR...

Johnscottanthony

Never said u were a bad trader. WHat i did say is that you have had some negative posts and no one in the TR management team has completed a trade with you, nor has anyone refered you in our TR referal page, where our members get to suggest traders for membership. All this consider, we consider you not a bad trader, but an unknown........ANd because of this you were denied.


JSA

autobilia

<< <i>Hmmmmmm, I think you took my comments wrong . I was in no way putting CE down or trying to compare TR to Ce. Both are good functional sites.
What i do question is letting members in CE that are known suspect or bad traders here on CU. If you already know from what you have seen on CU that a trader is suspect at best, why let them in? How long will it take to get 100 members? Hmmmm took us about 3 months as we have 117 members now with another 17 pending. Growth? Growth is not at the forefront of our priorities. We care about getting good traders who enjoy the hobby and want to trade. Being the biggest site with the most members, doesnt consistute it being the best. Just my opinion. Our site is a family, its more important for us to get the "right" members, than the most. You have some impressive new security systems.......They are nice and im sure they work well. But at TR its all about ur Rep, what u did last year or what u did today. It all counts for or against you. So Id rather stick to our old system of letting your repuatation talk for you, rather than having a great securtity mouse trap, to catch the fleet of foot scammer. Your system stops a bad trader from reentering (if i understand correctly) Ce "after" they rip someone..........Our old fashion check your refs system, stops the scammers "before" they get in. But again this is my opinion.
I dont want a war with you or CE, not because im trying to avoid conflicts, but because i believe we are both trying to create the same thing. "A safe and fun site to trade,sell and talk about sports on". Im a member of CE and am well aware of what it has, just as you have managers of CE who are members of TR.
I dont think there is any need to tear each other apart. I really believe we are on the same team. If you want to continue to put CE up against TR, so be it as Im game. But i think we would be more useful helping others separate the good traders from the bad.


JSA >>



Who are the "suspect" users. Anyone is capable of ripping someone off. I don't care what they did last year. Let's see... does mpsteelerfan ring a bell? Yes, he was a great trader. I and many others have traded with him. But look at him now. You can never put full trust into a person because of their past history. It's all day-by-day. And to be honest, no members know what all CE has. There is a lot going on that users don't see. When I said 100+ hours of coding and modifying, that's no exaggeration. As I said in a previous post, CE is an alternative to CU and I'll leave it at that.

vittleboy

so its Mpower i knew it i didnt want to trade with him in a deal now hes mad ok i can deal with that but i dont want to be call a bad trader i am a great trader.

JErik20

vittleboy, it does not take a genius to know what JSA means. He NEVER directly or indirectly stated that you were a bad trader as you are convinced he did, he only said that he recieved a questionable response (or 2) while performing a reference check on you. That does not mean you are a bad trader, just not one that he feels as though he can take a chance on. When TR members get ripped off, he takes it personally, and reimburses the ripped off trader out of his own collection. If you want to bash a moderator that cares that much about his site and it's members then that is a perfect display of your cluelessness

Erik

injun01

WOW..nice security system. I'm not even gonna pretend to know anything about what you said cause I don't. What I DO know though is that you're upset..for what I don't really know. Can't say I know your or have even talked to you Autobilia. So, I can't really pass judgement nor do I plan on it. What I do know is that it's seeming neither TR or CE know 100% about eachother to be talking about eachother. I don't know or pretend to know CE..as I've never gone there. I help make TR so I could have someplace to trade and make friends. So, why would I go to CE..I'm happy here. As far as members away from CU.. recruiting..that's my job. That's why MY post now. I've already recruited 5 members that had NOTHING to do with CU. I don't want a large number of members..1000 is too many..if it happens to be 1000..then so be it. I like to say I know at LEAST 90+% of our members..I'd like to trade with JUST as many. I'd like to MEET as many of the members as possible.
As far as hits..and member wars..or who's site is better. I don't really care about any of that. What I care about is the collecting hobby. What I care about is what my NAME is on...and that's TR. What I want is for someone to look at TR and say.."HEY..Evan is one of the Managers and that there's always good trading goin on there!" That's what I care about.

Evan

vittleboy

I am not bashing JSA he is bashing me. I feel let down by my fellow traders for the love of god when did Mpowers word become the main thing

Everyone take a look

autobilia

<< <i>Autobilia,

As a member of TR, i do not at all feel as though we are "held back" by denying applicants with any sort of questionable feedback. You seem to think that TR is handi-capped by it's not having 2000 members, but that is actually a bonus. A smaller group equals a closely-knit group, and i have made many friends there. A sure way to get into TR is make a few successful trades with trusted members of the group (most of which are active here and on other sites as well, so they are easy to find). So your praising vBulletin and downing the e-mail-reference system TR uses is irrelavent. If someone applies to TR with a lot of references, but none of which are with traders that the moderators KNOW they can trust, then they are usually denied. So if someone applied using 100 obscure e-mail addresses (ie Rusnak) then they will probably be declined if no trusted members have traded with any of them. I guess you saw this as an opportunity to display your technical knowlege of computer junk and to throw completely meaningless Beckett.com statistics at us, but no TR members are bashing other sites, so settle down. I am not sure who you are trying to impress

Erik >>



no TR members are bashing other sites? Until now.. hasn't happened since CE started (remember the back and forth feud me and McDee2 went through?). Since then, I thought everything was over and life moved on, but apparently, some baggage was stored. Not going to beat a dead horse on this one. By you never saw me saying anything about TR until this. And my response was directed to JSA's comment and nothing else. Not meaning to said sarcastic, but since JSA made the comments, let speak for himself. No disrespect.

injun01

Just out of curiousity Vittleboy? Why would you want to put that in your sig line? MPowers words are 100% true by us. He has NEVER given us ANY other reason to think otherwise. I can also say that I have NEVER traded with you or talked to you..and that's for one reason and one reason only. After seeing your antics on CU..I steer clear of you, but that's my perogative. And I'm sure at no loss to you as I'm sure you don't care. Although, when it came time to see your pending membership...before I saw MPowers post... I had already made my mind up. So, you see, it's not just MPower that says no..it's 3 managers that are all adults and can make up there own minds.

EVAN .......TR

awaltz

Autobilia - Some of the "less fortunate" in the computer world, think you are saying this:

Well, I hooked up the Bravo Delta to the Supreme Access center. Then after that I installed a hyperactive proton generator to the Bravo Delta. Not to mention the trusty duel stud micro-chips. Then we have to remove, repair, and install the clip bindings which helps the turbo thruster combine into the turbine connection.

LOL. Ok well maybe I exxagerated A LITTLE.

~Austin

autobilia

<< <i>I'd respond to autobilia if I knew what he said.

But I know what JSA is saying and I agree -- the trader's retreat is just that - a RETREAT where trusted friends get together and trade, chat, or hang out.

Autobilia may have created an empire, but I like our little banana republic at TR...

>>



No, I meant CE and TR has 2 totally different objectives. But people seem to ignore that and try to see it as competition. Correct me if I am wrong; TR is a trading site, right? Basically, a site to trade comfortably with other users. CE is a sports hobby site. Yes, there is a forum for people to post, chat, trade, etc., but it is also a site for in the mail autograph collectors which is ran by memphis who is doing a great job , NBA direct which is a basketball/streetball site hosted by Ilya & AI3, and of course sports hobby info, interviews, etc. I see it like a Mall and a card shop. Neither is better than the other, but they both have different objectives.

epag64

as a new trader, when i 1st came here, not many cared about new members gettin ripped..vocally expressed by "no names metioned" this ideally created a everyman for himself atmosphere, especially when posts were made regarding rusnak "the i dont care attitude" reflected my choice for a alternate site besides cu..i know where im welcomed and safe, because they care..i was involved in trade that was well over $250 with a "member" that slipped in..everyone of the managers expressed they had my back and would reimburse me if it went sour which it didnt, i doubt many can live up to that..

autobilia

<< <i>Autobilia - Some of the "less fortunate" in the computer world, think you are saying this:

Well, I hooked up the Bravo Delta to the Supreme Access center. Then after that I installed a hyperactive proton generator to the Bravo Delta. Not to mention the trusty duel stud micro-chips. Then we have to remove, repair, and install the clip bindings which helps the turbo thruster combine into the turbine connection.

LOL. Ok well maybe I exxagerated A LITTLE.

~Austin >>



Now, crank it up and see if it works

vittleboy

Evan look i know you dont like me and thats cool the only trade we almost had YOU NOT ME YOU backed out when we had it done. So look dont come down on me i am a fair guy but you guys are just being punks. CE all the way

AI3TheAnswer

i'm a moderator on CE and I'll go out on a limb and say that all 3 tR managers trust me..They knew I kept an eye on all incoming traders when I was more active on TR...I kept/and keep an eye on all incoming on CU and keep an even wider eye open to the CE trade boards..So that should give some re assurance...Take the Rusnack thing..I try and keep dibs on him at all times here on CU and when I saw he applied to CE I pm'd auto first thing..We sat quietly gathered his info and auto gave him the (permanent) boot..

As I said in my reply in ilays and jas's post there is alot more than trading at CE some come there just to talk sports play trivia or whatever..So it would'nt be right to deny them that..But there if/when they make a trade post it's watched over and all pending traders have been and will be warned about a suspect traders past...

As was the case with Yanksfan way back when CE was still on the PHB server it was posted publicly that Yanksfan was welcome to trade but due to his past he should trade on a send first basis..From ther the choice was up to him and any that wanted to make a deal with him..

Hondo

WOW!!! LMFAO!! Hey vittle just let it go man.....let it go

injun01

OMG..LOL..ok..I'm gonna try to take the adult stance here and say "Fine..vittleboy is just being vittleboy" Can't say I recall the time I ever tried to trade w/you or not. I may or may not have backed out. I DO NOT however back out of confirmed trades so don't even TRY to say I'm a bad trader. Cause as I'm sure you and everyone else knows..."Best way to win a case is to discredit the source." Normally, I'd walk away but when you start attacking me and my reputation PERSONALLY..then we have problems. I, actually, probably SHOULD have shook my head and said 'Whatever' but I guess I too am human and receptive to letting my anger get the best of me. So, after ALL is said and done here I'd like to propose that we all go our ways and let this LIE..once and for all.

Bottom line is CE is and excellent site with some awesome software..and TR is an excellent site and that's it. Both are better in their OWN ways..and BOTH have their disadvantages...

SO, LET'S LET THIS GO ALREADY.........PLEASE,

Evan....

Johnscottanthony

Vittleboy, u have successfully crossed the line. Where i come from , calling someone a punk can be very dangerous. I caution you not to go there again and to just understand our decision at TR. We have certainly denied members before than reviewed them at a later date and made them members. You have however successfully prevented yourself from getting that chance as well as removing the respect i did have for you. I can be as polite and as nice as you are to me, and theres a time to turn the other cheek. But you have crossed the line and made it quite obvious that you are now an ememy. Id advise you not to get in contact with me further.


Autobilla, Id like to burry this hatchet and move on, its pointless, we all have our views, we all care for our sites. The backing i got from my Tr brothers today is enough to let me know that we are moving in the right direction at TR, as are u at CE. So if my comments somehow offended you, I apologize as i am sensative to how my site is viewed as well.

Hondo, if we didnt before, I'd like to personally apologize to you. It appears we were given incorrect info on you and because of that you were denied. I hope you can appreicate our attempt at keeping our site safe and accept my apology.




JSA

ilya

next person to reply to this owes me an Iverson Chrome RC :-D

vittleboy

Look JSA i was starting this slow you made bad moves and i jumped on them. PS I NEVER EVER WANT TO JOIN TR.

Ps ilya I owe you a chrome rc lol.

AI3TheAnswer

Next person to reply to this owes me an Iverson chrome rc:-D

It's in the mail bubba