1960 Proof Roosie- Guess the grade! -UPDATE

cmerlo1 · January 1, 2013 4:25AM

Try as I might, I just couldn't get a pic of the contrast on this coin without picking up every scratch on the plastic-there are no major marks on the coin, except for the spotting. It is graded by our host:

Once I get some responses, I'll post the grade and ask a few questions I have about what to do with it.

deltadimeman · January 1, 2013 4:40AM

sorry to see the spots on your proof roosie. my complete set of graded proof roosevelts had the same problem, i shipped to pcgs ( took about 4 months ) and they removed most of the spots but not all. i think the coins are dipped ( by the submitter ) before grading and the spots start after they are put in the holders or just before pcgs holders the coin they may blow a brust of contaminated air ( water or oil in air ) over the coin that causes proof coins to have the white spots ? just my opinion ?

Cameonut · January 1, 2013 5:11AM

My guess : 66 dcam
In my opinion, those spots will not completely come off. They look like the typical milk spots from the late '50's to early 60's. Many of these spots will not budge, but occasionally I have seen some that were removable.

For my money, I'd leave it alone.

BustHalfBrian · January 1, 2013 6:29AM

Those milk spots look pretty thick...

But the contrast looks nice, so I'll say 65DCAM. I just wouldn't feel comfortable calling it a "superb gem" with that kind of spotting.

cmerlo1 · January 1, 2013 8:33AM

cmerlo1 · January 1, 2013 8:35AM

So, the question- can I send this back to PCGS under the grade guarantee?

deltadimeman · January 1, 2013 8:56AM

call customer service and see what they say .

keets · January 1, 2013 9:14AM

given the milkspots and the frost breaks I'd pass on a coin like this. ---my initial "guess" was 67Cam.

Cameonut · January 1, 2013 10:45AM

69 dcam - wow - just wow....

Those spots look to me like they were on the coin when graded - and didn't show up later.

I'd send it back under the grade guarantee - my experience with PCGS is that they are very fair. Negotiating a settlement is much easier if you have a bill of sale.

magikbilly · January 1, 2013 10:55AM

Disagree strongly with grade and with DCAM designation.

Eric

19Lyds · January 1, 2013 10:58AM

<< <i>So, the question- can I send this back to PCGS under the grade guarantee? >>

Yes but it'll cost you $25 plus possibly the $8.00 handling fee along with to/from shipping.
If they agree, you'll get your $25 back along with a downgrade and the market difference between what it was and what it now is.
If they don't agree, you lose the $25 and get your coin back.

My experience with this service has been sketchy.

keets · January 1, 2013 11:39AM

If they don't agree, you lose the $25 and get your coin back.

I think the odds of them not seeing this as a "problem" are pretty slim.

cmerlo1 · January 2, 2013 4:16AM

Thank you all for the feedback. I'm going to contact customer service and see what my options are. I'm of the opinion that at least some of the spots were on the coin when it was graded. I look at tons of sets from this era and see a good number of coins with the exact same spots.

ModCrewman · January 2, 2013 4:19AM

My first guess is 67 CAM, but because you're asking and I'm assuming with an "Are you kidding me" tone I'll say it's in a 68 DCAM holder.

ModCrewman · January 2, 2013 4:22AM

<< <i>69 dcam - wow - just wow....

Those spots look to me like they were on the coin when graded - and didn't show up later. >>

My thoughts exactly...can't believe it got a 69 with those spots...which IMHO were most likely on the coin before it was graded. And I'd also agree that they appear to be of the type that would not come off with a bath.

sniocsu · January 2, 2013 4:32AM

Surprised it go the 69DCAM

magikbilly · January 2, 2013 7:24AM

Spots aside (which should/does preclude 69, 68...) who among us think DCAM is truly warranted? If you bought sight unseen this coin, apart from the spots (as if they could be ignored) who would be pleased with this "DCAM"?

Eric

rhedden · January 3, 2013 2:35PM

Send it back. PCGS will treat it fairly.

GrumpyEd · January 3, 2013 4:17PM

Don't think it could be sold as a PR69DCAM .

You didn't say if you bought it recently or not, if you just bought it you might return it if it's an option.
I think whoever sold it should have sent it back under the guarantee instead of selling it.
If not I'd try sending it in for the guarantee myself.

cmerlo1 · March 13, 2013 5:57AM

Update- I received an email from our hosts today, offering a buyback or downgrade plus difference.

PCGS does indeed stand by their grading, and I applaud them for it and thank them!

jokingjoker · March 13, 2013 6:43AM

<< <i>Update- I received an email from our hosts today, offering a buyback or downgrade plus difference.

PCGS does indeed stand by their grading, and I applaud them for it and thank them! >>

How far down did they feel it graded?

Bochiman · March 13, 2013 9:19AM

I've done a similar type of issue with them years ago. A 1968-S PR69DCAM that had spots.
It took awhile to get an answer back, but they treated me very fairly and I was able to keep the coin (raw) and a check for enough for a replacement.

These types of coins are very negligible hits on their bottom line, but strong opportunities to show customer care.

I believe they will work with you.

Just be fair with them on what you expect/want and they should be fair with you (ie....what did you pay? do you want a replacement or for them to "fix" it, if they can? how much do you expect from them?)

cmerlo1 · March 13, 2013 9:32AM

<< <i>I've done a similar type of issue with them years ago. A 1968-S PR69DCAM that had spots.
It took awhile to get an answer back, but they treated me very fairly and I was able to keep the coin (raw) and a check for enough for a replacement.

These types of coins are very negligible hits on their bottom line, but strong opportunities to show customer care.

I believe they will work with you.

Just be fair with them on what you expect/want and they should be fair with you (ie....what did you pay? do you want a replacement or for them to "fix" it, if they can? how much do you expect from them?) >>

They exceeded my expectations.

I'm not sure what my obligations are to them as far as saying what the downgrade/offer was, but the downgrade was expensive (at least to me it was), and I'm very happy with the offer.

johnny9434 · March 14, 2013 5:13AM

it looks like fdr got into a fight, got his nose broke and has a real nice shinner. i no like.

Bochiman · March 14, 2013 7:32AM

Glad to hear it worked out for you

badger · March 14, 2013 7:37AM

cmerlo1,

I had a similar spotting develop on proof Roosies after reholdering my coins to put collection name on the holder...sent them back into PCGS and they stood by their guarantees...they were very fair in resolving the issue.

Dave

1960 Proof Roosie- Guess the grade! -UPDATE

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