1799 AU Draped Bust Dollar (B-10, BB-163) - Blue Peripheral Target Toning

Stuart

Here are some higher resolution photos of my forum user icon coin for your viewing pleasure...

1799 AU Draped Bust Dollar (B-10, BB-163) - Blue Peripheral Target Toning

LanceNewmanOCC

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i like these with meat on them so i'll say it is au all day (maybe high xf if viewed in-hand)

TPG could go either way at grading but these don't need be graded to be enjoyed like a lot of stuff

the size also makes these quite enjoyable to sit and look at since the devices are so big and just pop-out at ya!
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bidask

I like the toning...( if its original) but the coin appears to have alot of marks in the field for an AU coin.......

L1ncolnF4n

I would say AU details cleaned. The toning is secondary, and market acceptable IMO. I say cleaned as it appears very heavily marked and I don't think the white areas are gleaming with original luster.

g048406

<< <i>I would say AU details cleaned. The toning is secondary, and market acceptable IMO. I say cleaned as it appears very heavily marked and I don't think the white areas are gleaming with original luster. >>

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I agree too but would a step further saying that I don't think the toning is market acceptable and I think it has been tooled to include whizzed in spots. I think the coin has been heated as well at some point in its life/

bidask

Stuart, is the coin holdered and if so by which grading service?

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I agree too but would a step further saying that I don't think the toning is market acceptable and I think it has been tooled to include whizzed in spots. I think the coin has been heated as well at some point in its life/ >>







I believe Stuart said it was raw. >>

A raw coin with target toning......uh oh...?

blu62vette

The pics seem to have a slight tilt and look to be a raw coin.

Stuart

<< Stuart, is the coin holdered and if so by which grading service? >>

BidAsk: In reply to your above quoted question, Realone is correct that this coin is raw. I showed it to David Hall and Steve Contursi (and several others) in 2004 during the PCGS Invitational Coin Show in Las Vegas, and was told by them that it's an attractive AU example. I also corresponded with Cardinal about this coin via e-mail and PM's, who attributed it as (B-10, BB-163) and Genuine.

I tried submitting it to PCGS only once after the 2004 Invitational (before they began slabbing coins with the Genuine designation), and it was returned in a body bag. I may try resubmitting it at some point to get it into at least a Genuine slab.

Thanks for everyone's interest in my Draped Bust Dollar, which is one of my favorite coins in my collection.

AuroraRarities

Whatever grade it is, it is a joy to behold! Thanks for sharing it!

lava

The nice detail is lost in your icon. Much prefer the bigger pix.

coinpictures

I may be alone here, but I don't care for the color or the surfaces. It looks AT to me. I don't like the specific hues and transitions.

However, it could partially be the lighting... and my opinion and $3 will get you a cup of coffee. I wouldn't want to try to get it into a holder though...

stman

I know Stuart really likes this coin. Me thinks it has altered surfaces. Boinked with in some way, or a couple ways. But, he enjoys it and I don't want to take that away from him.

g048406

Despite it's short comings, I think the coin is beautiful. I'd much rather have this well detailed AU coin than some worn-out low-grade Bust Dollar

rays

I don't see that coin as market acceptable for no problem grading.

crazyhounddog

For the right price , it's a loveable coin. Holdered or not .

1Bustcollector

It is a nice looking example due to the target toning initially. It certainly draws one to admire it closer. Unfortunately, the surfaces appear relatively marred without much luster for an AU. Yes, the coin has been tilted during photography........... I cannot see any underlying lustre. It is possibly due to the type of lighting used. Does it have lustre? Appears to secondary toning after an older cleaning. Ouch - rim bumps?

All in all, it is "still" an attractive looking piece, but I can't see it slabbing via PCGS judging from your photograph - I hope I'm wrong!

As always: Many times one must consider who is viewing the coin................one thing for sure, There is a shoe for every Foot!

Stuart

Here are some additional photos that may better depict the coin's surface characteristics.

1799 AU Draped Bust Dollar

crypto79

AU details for sure as well as extensively doctored, as others have said, Still an attractive coin at a certain price.

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Stuart

<< Stuart, would this be an older Stacks (when Stacks was just Stacks) auction photo? >>

Realone: In reply to your above quoted question, I took these digital photos of the coin in 2003 using diffused natural sunlight.

I do not know the original provenance of the coin, other than I purchased it at a local Houston Coin Show on September 29, 1991 from Southland Coins & Investments of Lake Charles, Louisiana.

JRocco

Hey Stuart,
This coin is what it is. It is a very collectible coin with a lot of meat left on her bones.
Will it slab in a clean holder? I don't think so as I think the coin has had some work done to her.

1Bustcollector

Then again.................you just never know. Sometimes one can be surprised. Photos courtesy Teletrade. I came across this browsing.

coinpictures

<< <i>Then again.................you just never know. Sometimes one can be surprised. Photos courtesy Teletrade. I came across this browsing. >>



Ugh. They completely missed that fugly scratch through the eagle. Belongs in a details slab.

Moldnut

<< <i>Then again.................you just never know. Sometimes one can be surprised. Photos courtesy Teletrade. I came across this browsing. ] >>




Ive seen that coin in Southgate Coins inventory

IrishMikey

The 1799 $ appears to be tooled in the obverse field between the date and the 1st star to the left.

dizzlecc

The rim damage could be from mounting for some type of display.

Overall, the strike is strong, the toning is attractive, it is a raw coin and some can enjoy it for what it is. It is a collector's coin and will stay in a collection for a long time.