1960 Fleer wrongback question.

milbroco

I have this 1960 Fleer wrongback card of Frank Baker with a Joe Tinker reverse. How rare are these? I know the unissued Pepper Martin reverse is a nice find but what about this? Is this just a novelty or something that can command a premium? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob

Griffins

These seems to be not uncommon, a few pop up every year. They don't seem to command (or deserve) a premium.
The #80 Martin/Grove, Martin/Collins, and Martin/Tinker is a whole different story- it's one of the true post war rarities and command strong prices. Especially if you can find an example that isn't cancelled or hand cut.

milbroco

Griffins - Thanks for the info. Is what you said because the Martin was a card printed (#80) but not actually released? Any why was the Martin only printed on the back of Collins, Tinker and Grove?
Thanks again,
Bob

Griffins

Correct, the Martin was never released, and I've got issues of The Trader Speaks from the early '70's that discuss it just being discovered then.
As to why it has those three fronts, I think it was stripped up wrong on the plate, but that is only speculation. I've never seen or heard of a Pepper Martin front.

milbroco

Thanks agaib for the info Griffins..........................
Bob

bishop

Here is my hand cut and beat up # 80 Martin. All 3 ,Grove, Tinker & Collins with the Martin back in nice condition came up in one auction a long while back, maybe Anthony remembers which one. All went for serious $s. The Grove comes up the "most". I think the only Collins and Tinker I have seen were in that auction:

milbroco

Boy it would be nice to have that wax pack with Martin showing on the reverse................

bishop

<< <i> I've never seen or heard of a Pepper Martin front. >>



Just for you Anthony

Griffins

gee thanks Al.

All 3 combos came up in a Mastro auction about 2001, and at least two of them (the tougher ones I believe, Tinker and Collins)came up in a Lipset auction about 2002. Levi won those but all attempts to pry them from him were rebuffed- those are staying in his personal collection.