1990 Topps USA1 George Bush 1/100

Probstein123

hi, does anyone know the full history on the distribution of this card...

we picked up one recently and I don't have all the data....

LMK if u can

much appreciated

rick

1990 Topps USA George Bush 1/100 LINK

gameusedhoop

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 8 - Average Price: $8,225.00
2/2/12 Huggins & Scott $8,225.00

No SGC sales in VCP. No real background on it, but it should do VERY well, especially in that grade.

Bosox1976

Here's a link.

edit: took out the giant .jpg ...... don't know why it showed so big - pic is in the above link.

TNP777

I'd like to propose a name change to this forum:

SPORTS CARDS, MEMORABILIA AND PROBSTEIN123 AUCTIONS FORUM

edited to add snarky comment.
edited again for spelling & punctuation.

WinPitcher

That's 3 minutes I'll never get back waiting for that to load.

bigdogparty

That link is the same background i have heard in the past. Also, Steve at BBCE gave one away at Nationals this year

RedHeart54

I remember cutting this article out way back when.


People Magazine 1990

Dboneesq

Let's see if this works for ya Mike:

stown

Rick,

I don't mean to act like a forum cop but several posters are getting the impression you're abusing forum rules. It wouldn't be the case if you were asking a legitimate question but your intent is clear by adding the auction link. Please refrain from posting spam here, unless you expect the mod to move it again, just like they did two days ago to the appropriate form -> BST Forum

much appreciated

Foo3112

I don’t have any issues with Rick or his auctions but with about 60% of the board continuously kissing Ricks butt 24/7, what do you expect?

Those people made it okay for him to create threads like this.

PeteZaria

mattinglymint23

is that the card BBCE raffled at the national?

DavidPuddy

I know the article says Topps printed 100 of these, but isn't it a better bet that they printed a full 132 card sheet?

Probstein123

is that the card BBCE raffled at the national?
nope

gemmintrarities

<< <i>is that the card BBCE raffled at the national?
nope >>



Mike?

Bosox1976

<< <i> I know the article says Topps printed 100 of these, but isn't it a better bet that they printed a full 132 card sheet? >>



Excellent question...

Probstein123

<< I know the article says Topps printed 100 of these, but isn't it a better bet that they printed a full 132 card sheet? >>
==> maybe they destroyed 32 of them ?

gemmintrarities

<< <i>

<< <i> I know the article says Topps printed 100 of these, but isn't it a better bet that they printed a full 132 card sheet? >>



Excellent question... >>



Absolutely, there are over 100 legitimate copies of these.

lostdart58

A PSA 8 just sold on ebay at roughly $6300.

A chit load of these have been auctioned off in the last 6 months on ebay and in auction houses.

There are currently 4 listed on ebay.

PSA 7s running between $4000 - $5000.

I have been following the sales of these trying to get an idea of value.

I own the one that was given away at the National by BBCE.

Probstein123

lostdart58
==> congrats...

how did topps sell the first 100 of these ?
in packs ? or direct sales ?

Aric

<< <i>lostdart58
==> congrats...

how did topps sell the first 100 of these ?
in packs ? or direct sales ? >>



All 100 were supposedly given to Bush but some were also reported to have been pulled from packs. I believe more than 100 copies exist of this card but who knows.

lostdart58

<< <i>lostdart58
==> congrats...

how did topps sell the first 100 of these ?
in packs ? or direct sales ? >>



They did not sell them......100 were given directly to Pres Bush. It is assumed he gave them away at his discretion.

.....rumors are unconfirmed that a few ended up in packs.

Probstein123

I would think if bush had 100 of them , you'd see more signed ones out there....

are there any recorded auctions of signed ones yet ?

Foo3112

There is only 1 story about how someone pulled it out of a pack, and that story came from (Drumroll please) ...the guy who pulled it out of the pack! That same guy just happened to run his own card shop (How convenient). I believe his story to be completely bogus. He just probably made that story up to generate buzz at his store and to try to bring others to buy stuff from him.

These cards were made by Topps exclusively for Bush only. He gave them out to those close to him so in essence, yes, those cards are extremely rare.

Probstein123

These cards were made by Topps exclusively for Bush only. He gave them out to those close to him so in essence, yes, those cards are extremely rare.
==> I would think most of these will never be sold if thats the case....makes sense now
thanks

Toro

Getting my hands on one and having it personally autographed would be somewhat cool. This is likely the rarest 1990 card in existence right next to the Frank THomas NNOF.

Aric

<< <i>These cards were made by Topps exclusively for Bush only. He gave them out to those close to him so in essence, yes, those cards are extremely rare. >>



My opinion, based purely on unfounded speculation mind you, is that very few, if any, of the examples we see being sold in the marketplace today are from the 100 given to Bush. My reasoning for this is I have never seen any story of provenance of an example being sold that had come directly from the President. If it were so, I think the seller would divulge that information because, in my opinion, it would greatly increase the value. Some may argue that in many cases the receiver of the gift would not want to divulge they were selling a gift from the President or even perhaps the card was stolen and thus its provenance can not be divulged but one would think that there would be at least one case where the card was being sold, perhaps for charity, where its provenance does indeed lead back to the Pres.

CDsNuts

My opinion, based purely on unfounded speculation mind you, is that very few, if any, of the examples we see being sold in the marketplace today are from the 100 given to Bush. My reasoning for this is I have never seen any story of provenance of an example being sold that had come directly from the President. If it were so, I think the seller would divulge that information because, in my opinion, it would greatly increase the value. Some may argue that in many cases the receiver of the gift would not want to divulge they were selling a gift from the President or even perhaps the card was stolen and thus its provenance can not be divulged but one would think that there would be at least one case where the card was being sold, perhaps for charity, where its provenance does indeed lead back to the Pres.


1) This is 100% correct, if Bush was handing these out we'd have heard of it happening through an auction listing or whatever. Nobody is going to not mention that when trying to sell it. I think a more reasonable explanation is that Topps gave some of these to employees as they did with other niche/prototype stuff they made that was never sold on the market.

2) There's no way there are only 100 of these. 5 have sold within the past year on ebay and another 4 or 5 have been listed and gone unsold. Add to that probably a handful that have gone through the auction houses and you're probably around 11-14 that have surfaced in the last year. That is not consistent with a card that only has 100 copies, especially considering a lot of the buyers of this card have incredibly deep pockets and are unlikely to resell their copy once they get their hands on it.

Just to draw a parallel, the 1996 Flair Legacy Row 0 (numbered out of 150) is an iconic card for Jordan and modern basketball collectors and sells for around $3k. Only 5 of these have popped up on ebay in the past year at a time when every tough Jordan insert is hitting the market because prices are through the roof. If there were only 100 Bush cards, we would only see about 3-6 per year and we've been seeing double that. Obviously this isn't proof that there are more than 100, but logic dictates that's the case.

Lee

WinPitcher

Back door....

armyautin

Most elaborate spam ever

TNP777

<< <i>Most elaborate spam ever >>

not at all elaborate. More like blatant and unrepentant flaunting of this forum's posted and accepted ROC. For some reason the OP feels he is above the rules, and his legion of admirers eagerly give him a pass.

He did the same thing the other day. That thread was moved to the appropriate forum, but our hero is undeterred.

Edit: it's high time for the moderation team to either change the rules of the SC&MF and allow advertising/spamming across the board and do away with the BST forum, or make sure the OP understands he is NOT allowed to thumb his nose at rules the rest of the board adheres to.

CDsNuts

Hey, can someone tell me anything about the Question of Sport Mike Tyson RC? I have this one on ebay but I don't know anything about it. Any help would be appreciated..... Oh and if you want to go ahead and buy it feel free.

Lee

Dpeck100

It came from a board game and is an early Tyson card.

There is also another card with the back of Tyson's head that is said to be rare and very rarely shows up on EBAY.

ShootyBabitt

I'd send that card in for a PSA 10 grade.

CDsNuts

It came from a board game and is an early Tyson card.

There is also another card with the back of Tyson's head that is said to be rare and very rarely shows up on EBAY.


Cool, how about this Tom Brady rookie. Anybody know anything about it?

Lee

TNP777

<< <i>It came from a board game and is an early Tyson card.

There is also another card with the back of Tyson's head that is said to be rare and very rarely shows up on EBAY. >>

Sarcasm lost on this one is.

Dpeck100

Good luck with your listings.

Dpeck100

Tyson Back of Head



I posted what I did because most do not realize this card sells for more then the the action shot.

CDsNuts

Good luck with your listings.

Thanks, I appreciate the support. Do you think I have this high grade 1978 Topps set too high?

Dpeck100

Looks good to me. Please share a few more of your featured listings. I think many would like to see them.

CDsNuts

Looks good to me. Please share a few more of your featured listings. I think many would like to see them.

I can't do that, it would be against forum rules. I was just trying to get some info on some of my cards, that's all.

TNP777

You heard it here first:

If Lee gets a good sale from sarcastically spamming probstein's spam thread then he might go down as the greatest ebay card seller of all time.

Dpeck100

Maybe you have a few other cards you are not completely familiar with that you need help on.

Post a few more of your other cards that have been discussed on here before many times.

CDsNuts

Post a few more of your other cards that have been discussed on here before many times.

You mean like the 1990 Topps George Bush card?

Dpeck100

Yeah, like that card.



Just a few prior threads...



1990 Topps USA1 George Bush 1/100 43 Probstein123 Nov/15/2012 11:08 PM
by CDsNuts
Short 1990 Topps George Bush USA1 article w/ photo 8 jacksoncoupage Nov/15/2012 06:41 PM
by msassin
1990 Topps George Bush card 67 dmurphy3mvp Oct/15/2012 11:16 PM
by jeffcbay
George Bush Decision Points autograph 24 mccardguy1 Dec/21/2010 03:50 PM
by goose3
Huge find from former topps employee... GEORGE BUSH SCAN ADDED. 220 Rogermnj Oct/15/2010 10:46 AM
by 1989FleerBillRipkencollector
Top find ever for me going through a common box!! 1990 topps george bush! + help identify other items please 33 Rogermnj Mar/24/2010 12:31 AM
by MULLINS5
1990 Topps George Bush Card on Ebay 41 saucywombat Oct/23/2009 02:58 PM
by KatsCards
What type of packs were the '90 Topps George Bush cards found in? 4 metalmike Aug/13/2009 10:57 PM
by bobsbbcards
1990 Topps George Bush card 1 savoyspecial Nov/08/2007 07:53 AM
by BunchOBull
The 1990 Topps George Bush Yale card--any for sale recently? 1 onlyanumber Feb/17/2006 05:44 PM
by rlankhaar
1990 Topps George Bush. 12 fsjeter Oct/28/2005 03:06 PM
by ndleo
Topps George Bush card? 23 pandrews Jun/27/2005 04:03 PM
by doncherry

ClockworkAngel

LOL at everything in this thread

I will give Probstein credit for one thing, he certainly elicits reactions one way or another....and I must admit the use of a question about the card to post a link to his auction is classic, especially considering the guy has got to be one of the most involved and high profile collectors going and the idea of him not knowing much about this card is pure BS

gemmintrarities

<< <i>Back door.... >>



No doubt about it.

bishop

How many single card issues has Topps put out over the years. Besides the Bush card I am aware of the 1984 Darryl Palmer # 800 movie prop card, the Bowie Kuhn tribute "card" on thin stock, and two separate Joe Garagiola business cards, one issued in 1976 and the other in 1991. Anyone know of others.

If the Bush card was produced on one sheet of 132, and he was given 100, maybe Topps employees got the other 32 and they are the cards finding their way into the hobby. I agree with whoever above said that if the cards hitting the market were from the Bush 100, you would think some would be signed and their source would be touted. Many of the Garagiola cards that hit the market are signed.

Whatever the OP's intent, threads about unique cards are always interesting to me.

CDsNuts

I know when I get my hands on an $8000 card the first thing I do is list it, then I look for information after it's been listed. Isn't that what most mega-dealers and auction houses do?

While we're at it, can anybody tell me anything about this 2012 Topps mini case? Anybody know how many of these were released?

jwgators

<< <i>I know when I get my hands on an $8000 card the first thing I do is list it, then I look for information after it's been listed. Isn't that what most mega-dealers and auction houses do?

While we're at it, can anybody tell me anything about this 2012 Topps mini case? Anybody know how many of these were released? >>



Just trying to help: how tough is this card?

itzagoner

20 bux tuffer than the one beneath it.