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Churchill Crown

coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Does anyone have any information to suggest that the dies used for the Satin Proofs were later used for business strikes?

I am curious and will follow up on this after afew replies as to the question, reasons for asking etc..

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This will be very difficult to run down, as I am not aware of ANY information about Churchill or any other proof dies being used for currency strikes. The closest I can come is the reverse direction wherein ordinary dies were "gussied up" do strike most specimens of the 1942-44 silver coins - they are not quite proof and were discussed along with other such coins in the Spencer Numismatist articles (the first ~1982) about Record proofs at the Royal Mint.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I asked the question mainly because there seems to be a significant variation as to the Hairline of Elizabeth II on some issues

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Strike "freshness"?
    DNW have a satin specimen for sale in their December sale, check it out. I would imagine that will be at least 1200 pounds...
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  • FountainheadFountainhead Posts: 956
    Has anyone ever seen a well-struck Churchill Crown? Even the one pictured in my Encyclopedia Britannica is bleah.
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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, yes. The satin specimens certainly are. However it is a very subtle low relief design which interestingly somehow seems an anathema to the subject himself. The central design gently rises from the field and there are no real sharp definitions.
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    DNW have a satin specimen for sale in their December sale, check it out.

    That coin is from different dies. It may even be a pattern.

    As for any other known specimens, I'm not sure if they are from the currency dies.
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  • GazzaGazza Posts: 543
    I would not describe it as a pattern, I would suggest 'trial piece' would be a more appropriate title. The VIP Satin proof is the one gap still unfilled in my collection of crowns so I will be watching this one very closely. The problem I'm having with this coin is it's leaving me with a bit of a dilemma as I'm not sure if it ticks the VIP Satin Proof box so leaving the gap still unfilled.
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yikes, Eureka did hit on it as did Gazza, as this piece is a bit different than a Satin - those do have much better strike however. I do have a Satin specimen and haven't even checked it or compared to the DNW piece. Somehow it looks different by recall but will see if I can look on getting home tomorrow and maybe post, at least indirectly, mine.
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  • GazzaGazza Posts: 543
    Although DNW describe it as a proof and satin they don't come straight out and say it's a VIP Satin Proof, and looking at the picture of the coin on their website and the example on the Royal Mint website nether look very proof like.
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