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tneigtneig Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
Watching this movie for the first time.

How long can it go before the edge of the cliff.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Check this one out, the cliff could have been prevented:

    The Warning

    Keep an open mind, or get financially repressed -Zoltan Pozsar

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    cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is no cliff if you raise the valley floor.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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    tneigtneig Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    Ok
    Now I'm in the next level of awareness, and I'm very concerned.
    COA
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    piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    I don't subscribe to the doomsday theory much, but I feel if it did happen, it would be like this movie The Road

    It's in my top 3 all time favorite movies and I highly recommend it to get an idea of what it would be like if things went really bad in the world.
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't subscribe to the doomsday theory much, but I feel if it did happen, it would be like this movie The Road

    It's in my top 3 all time favorite movies and I highly recommend it to get an idea of what it would be like if things went really bad in the world. >>



    The movie was very good. The book was tremendous. A must read. It's funny when I read it I thought that Viggo Mortensen would be perfect for the role of the father. This was written by Cormac McCarthy
    who also wrote No Country for Old Men and Blood Meridian amongst others. Blood Meridian will go down as one of the best books written in the 20th century and McCarthy as the best novelist of the this same period. Read Blood Meridian if you haven't. No one like him since Faulkner.

    I collect McCarthy first edition books.

    MJ
    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 28,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ayn Rand was a moron. Actually to give the devil her due she was probably one of the 100 best
    authors who ever walked the face of the earth. But as a philosopher she was probably second rate
    at best. Yes, she imparted her characters with remarkably clear motivations and a sound philosophy
    but this is literature and not philosophy. One can't live in the concrete world as a book character or
    with any a philosophy based on grinding axes. I actually have a great deal of respect for her but, like
    Freud who also couldn't see his own weaknesses in the light of day the misunderstanding of their work
    has led to a great deal of evil. Freud to the era of genocide and irresponsibility and Rand to the era of
    greed.

    1987 should have shown all observers the error of our ways. It was too early in the era of greed to
    see the specific motivations of all the players but it was apparent the problenm was bank shenanigans
    in the form of derivatives and common superstition in the form of computer trading that caused the stock
    market to fall to zero mid-day Tuesday. But we didn't take heed and rather than regulating derivatives
    out of existence they were expanded. Rather than abandoning computer trading it was pushed under-
    ground. Since then we've seen disaster after disaster in the markets and now the markets are effect-
    ively regulated and choreographed by the PPT who can't allow market forces to assert themselves since
    it would all implode almost immediately. You can't have bond prices seeking their true level when that
    level is zero.

    Bernanke can't take his finger out of the dike and it might not be repairable until he does.
    Tempus fugit.
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ayn Rand grew up in St. Petersburg and witnessed the progression of marxism firsthand as a young girl before escaping to the US in the 1920's. You can be certain that she watched in horror at what Stalin and his successors did in Russia during the 1930's and 1940's.

    As to greed, it is present at all levels, not just at the top.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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    HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    I love the Road and No Country for Old Men, both great films.
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 28,333 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    As to greed, it is present at all levels, not just at the top. >>



    Yes. Our entire culture is built on irresponsibility because it's had almost exactly 100 years to
    grow and flourish. It has permeated almost everything an even caused the collapse of the ed-
    ucational system.

    Man has always shown greed but we've always known that unchecked greed is evil. Greed is
    evil. We always individually and collectively tried to suppress it just as we do all of our faults
    and foibels. But Rand made greed seem positive to many of her readers and they took the con-
    cept and institutionalized it and the economy has been the victim ever since. It's the victim be-
    cause greed doesn't take into account how an individual acquires wealth but only the amount
    of wealth he acquires. There is the absurd belief that this is a fine distinction so some are paid
    exorbitant sums to destroy products and companies in the name of short term gains; in the name
    of personal gains for the very few at the expense of the economy and its function. They amass
    huge fortunes by destruction rather than by production. They extract value from products to fool
    customers into paying more than they are worth.

    We are now engaged in a race to the bottom to see which product with no value at all can be sold
    for the most money. We mine materials from the earth at great expense and fabricate them so
    they are almost immediately reburied in landfills. In this process the CEO's are growing wealthy
    faster than ever before in human history while the standard of living is going down and threatens
    to crash to the point of mass starvation. The people causing the problem aren't being punished
    but, instead, rewarded. Thisa is made possible by the widespread belief that greed is good. If a
    manufacturer can add chemicals and water to a food to trick customers into thinking they are getting
    more than it's really worth then the inventor deserves more money! Nevermind that the chemicals
    haven't even been proven safe and the world is poorer and the net effect is there's less wealth in
    the world because the miscreant gets more money and doesn't need to worry about jail time in a
    society that values greed even above wealth and life.

    Only the poor man and the middle class is expected to be guided by the principles of morality and
    common sense but since the schools have failed and morality is now relative and based on the amount
    of money you have he is locked into his own narrow world and blind to massive evaporation and
    appropriation of wealth. All action is individual and based on individual belief. As a society we no
    longer believe people are responsible and we believe greed is a net positive in the world. Ayn Rand's
    beliefs were likely formed by the wrongs being commited in Russia and their suppression of product-
    ive people. As a philosophy they might have been applicable to the Soviet Union of the 1930's but
    they were never appropriate in this country. You don't cure creeping socialism as this country was
    experiencing by institutionalizing greed. It is compounding one problem with a more serious one.

    Getting rid of the greed would be very easy if not for the fact that we no longer believe anyone is
    responsible. But the wealthy have grown so powerful that they tell Congress what to do. We have
    grown so irresponsible we'll have great difficulty interrupting this. The implication is all these trends
    could continue until they cause themselves to implode in the unforeseeable future. It could be very
    very ugly.

    As is no one wealthy has any vested interest in seeing higher metals prices and as the middle class
    suffers further supplies can increase causing severe pressure on prices. Of course when the opportunity
    presents itself greed might well find a vested interest in higher prices.

    These are interesting times indeed.
    Tempus fugit.
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rand made greed seem positive to many of her readers and they took the con-
    cept and institutionalized it and the economy has been the victim ever since.


    Well, I'm not the expert on Ayn Rand, but I don't see her making greed out as a positive thing in Atlas Shrugged. Nothing of the sort. I see her book as a justification of true capitalism as the impetus for human advancement.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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    calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    Ayn Ryan was not a moron.

    Society is not more greedy today than it was a 100 years ago or that it will be a 100 years from now.



    "Women should be obscene and not heard. "
    Groucho Marx
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    tneigtneig Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    So what happens when it starts, and inflation goes crazy and the dollar starts to fall?

    Will the government take some action. They certainly must have considered scenarios.

    What are the fall backs? The gold the nation has?
    COA
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,200 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So what happens when it starts, and inflation goes crazy and the dollar starts to fall? >>


    be glad your savings are sitting in metal



    << <i>Will the government take some action. They certainly must have considered scenarios. >>


    they always take action, that's why we are where we are



    << <i>What are the fall backs? The gold the nation has? >>


    create more currency until it becomes worthless, then create a new currency - wash, rinse, repeat. keep making the same mistakes and hope for a different ending. In the meantime metals continue to be be strong.

    Keep an open mind, or get financially repressed -Zoltan Pozsar

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,200 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I see her book as a justification of true capitalism as the impetus for human advancement. >>




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    Keep an open mind, or get financially repressed -Zoltan Pozsar

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    pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,504 ✭✭✭
    Surprised not poofed yet.
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    percybpercyb Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ayn Rand was a moron. Actually to give the devil her due she was probably one of the 100 best
    authors who ever walked the face of the earth. But as a philosopher she was probably second rate
    at best. Yes, she imparted her characters with remarkably clear motivations and a sound philosophy
    but this is literature and not philosophy. One can't live in the concrete world as a book character or
    with any a philosophy based on grinding axes. I actually have a great deal of respect for her but, like
    Freud who also couldn't see his own weaknesses in the light of day the misunderstanding of their work
    has led to a great deal of evil. Freud to the era of genocide and irresponsibility and Rand to the era of
    greed.

    1987 should have shown all observers the error of our ways. It was too early in the era of greed to
    see the specific motivations of all the players but it was apparent the problenm was bank shenanigans
    in the form of derivatives and common superstition in the form of computer trading that caused the stock
    market to fall to zero mid-day Tuesday. But we didn't take heed and rather than regulating derivatives
    out of existence they were expanded. Rather than abandoning computer trading it was pushed under-
    ground. Since then we've seen disaster after disaster in the markets and now the markets are effect-
    ively regulated and choreographed by the PPT who can't allow market forces to assert themselves since
    it would all implode almost immediately. You can't have bond prices seeking their true level when that
    level is zero.

    Bernanke can't take his finger out of the dike and it might not be repairable until he does. >>



    I thought she offered a rather insightful and excellent critique of communism.
    "Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world." PBShelley
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