Large cent curiosity, 1838

Billet7 · October 27, 2012 12:06PM

Anyone know what's going on with this large cent? Beneath the date there's some sort of raised portion near the dentils. What's going on here?

Matrix1980 · October 27, 2012 12:10PM

My guess would be the planchet used to mint this coin already had that on it. Back then I imagine they would use metal that was not perfect like they do today. But then again I am sure there is more to the story than just that. By the way the coin has very nice details and looks good!!

Coinosaurus · October 27, 2012 12:10PM

Die crumbling?

LanceNewmanOCC · October 27, 2012 12:15PM

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looks like an eds to early-middle die state of the n4

there are a few large cents with "rings" that go around the inner part of the dentils

you can see it on this coin also from k9-k10
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Shamika · October 27, 2012 12:53PM

<< Back then I imagine they would use metal that was not perfect like they do today. >>

By 1838 the Mint had moved to a large "modern" facility and had newer equipment. Planchet quality should have been good.

LanceNewmanOCC · October 27, 2012 1:14PM

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<< Back then I imagine they would use metal that was not perfect like they do today. >>

By 1938 the Mint had moved to a large "modern" facility and had newer equipment. Planchet quality should have been good. >>

what did i miss that 1938 is part of the reference?
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2ltdjorn · October 27, 2012 1:16PM

Double struck? Mis-aligned dies?

Matrix1980 · October 27, 2012 1:29PM

Shamika

We are talking about 1838 and not 1938!!!

Unknown · October 27, 2012 2:03PM

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Billet7 · October 27, 2012 3:25PM

<< .
looks like an eds to early-middle die state of the n4

there are a few large cents with "rings" that go around the inner part of the dentils

you can see it on this coin also from k9-k10
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So are you saying that this is not unique to this particular coin? Similar rings exist on other coins in roughly the same state? So is it a break, crack, deformity, or something else?

LanceNewmanOCC · October 27, 2012 3:33PM

<< So are you saying that this is not unique to this particular coin? Similar rings exist on other coins in roughly the same state? So is it a break, crack, deformity, or something else? >>

1. yes. 2. yes. (even different states) 3. not a break, not a crack, possibly a deformity and/or something else. a lot of screwy things could have caused it.
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LanceNewmanOCC · October 27, 2012 3:37PM

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i neglected to link these in my previous post, although I didn't need them to make my comment but thought you'd enjoy seeing other examples

take your pick.

LoveMyLiberty · October 27, 2012 3:38PM

Although a common variety it is quite interesting. There is a heavy internal break occuring
along the lower obv. at the dentils. First becoming a die crack from N of S1 and extending
past S13. A second crack developes below the 1st 8 and later extends from the lowest
part of the dentils below 83 and continues into the lower curl & the shoulder hair, becoming
a cud in the L MDS.
This feature is discussed in Newcomb, as a raised line. In Dan Holmes sale catalog there are
seven examples shown from early die states to L MDS. Wes Rasmussen's sale catalog describes
the N-4 Cent at the Intermediate Die State & has an enlarged image of the cud.

LanceNewmanOCC · October 27, 2012 3:43PM

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nice write-up LML

here is what he is talking about

LanceNewmanOCC · October 27, 2012 3:50PM

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and here is the LDS version. note the cuds and cracks are not part of the raised line at the dentils

notwilight · October 27, 2012 4:00PM

I like that LDS example. And the RLDS one too. (Really Late Die State.). --Jerry

LanceNewmanOCC · October 27, 2012 4:07PM

<< I like that LDS example. And the RLDS one too. (Really Late Die State.). --Jerry >>

i'd like to see the VLDS

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Billet7 · October 27, 2012 4:46PM

Awesome stuff! Thanks for the education.

MikeInFL · October 28, 2012 2:10AM

<< Although a common variety it is quite interesting. There is a heavy internal break occuring
along the lower obv. at the dentils. First becoming a die crack from N of S1 and extending
past S13. A second crack developes below the 1st 8 and later extends from the lowest
part of the dentils below 83 and continues into the lower curl & the shoulder hair, becoming
a cud in the L MDS.
This feature is discussed in Newcomb, as a raised line. In Dan Holmes sale catalog there are
seven examples shown from early die states to L MDS. Wes Rasmussen's sale catalog describes
the N-4 Cent at the Intermediate Die State & has an enlarged image of the cud. >>

^^^^
This -- the feature is typical of the 1838 N-4.

Shamika · October 28, 2012 8:23AM

<< Shamika

We are talking about 1838 and not 1938!!! >>

Indeed we are. Oops.

Large cent curiosity, 1838

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