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Large cent curiosity, 1838

Anyone know what's going on with this large cent? Beneath the date there's some sort of raised portion near the dentils. What's going on here?

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looks like an eds to early-middle die state of the n4
there are a few large cents with "rings" that go around the inner part of the dentils
you can see it on this coin also from k9-k10
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<< <i>Back then I imagine they would use metal that was not perfect like they do today. >>
By 1838 the Mint had moved to a large "modern" facility and had newer equipment. Planchet quality should have been good.
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<< <i>Back then I imagine they would use metal that was not perfect like they do today. >>
By 1938 the Mint had moved to a large "modern" facility and had newer equipment. Planchet quality should have been good. >>
what did i miss that 1938 is part of the reference?
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We are talking about 1838 and not 1938!!!
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looks like an eds to early-middle die state of the n4
there are a few large cents with "rings" that go around the inner part of the dentils
you can see it on this coin also from k9-k10
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So are you saying that this is not unique to this particular coin? Similar rings exist on other coins in roughly the same state? So is it a break, crack, deformity, or something else?
<< <i>So are you saying that this is not unique to this particular coin? Similar rings exist on other coins in roughly the same state? So is it a break, crack, deformity, or something else? >>
1. yes. 2. yes. (even different states) 3. not a break, not a crack, possibly a deformity and/or something else. a lot of screwy things could have caused it.
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i neglected to link these in my previous post, although I didn't need them to make my comment but thought you'd enjoy seeing other examples
take your pick.
along the lower obv. at the dentils. First becoming a die crack from N of S1 and extending
past S13. A second crack developes below the 1st 8 and later extends from the lowest
part of the dentils below 83 and continues into the lower curl & the shoulder hair, becoming
a cud in the L MDS.
This feature is discussed in Newcomb, as a raised line. In Dan Holmes sale catalog there are
seven examples shown from early die states to L MDS. Wes Rasmussen's sale catalog describes
the N-4 Cent at the Intermediate Die State & has an enlarged image of the cud.
R.I.P. Bear
nice write-up LML
here is what he is talking about
and here is the LDS version. note the cuds and cracks are not part of the raised line at the dentils
<< <i>I like that LDS example. And the RLDS one too. (Really Late Die State.). --Jerry >>
i'd like to see the VLDS
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<< <i>Although a common variety it is quite interesting. There is a heavy internal break occuring
along the lower obv. at the dentils. First becoming a die crack from N of S1 and extending
past S13. A second crack developes below the 1st 8 and later extends from the lowest
part of the dentils below 83 and continues into the lower curl & the shoulder hair, becoming
a cud in the L MDS.
This feature is discussed in Newcomb, as a raised line. In Dan Holmes sale catalog there are
seven examples shown from early die states to L MDS. Wes Rasmussen's sale catalog describes
the N-4 Cent at the Intermediate Die State & has an enlarged image of the cud. >>
^^^^
This -- the feature is typical of the 1838 N-4.
<< <i>Shamika
We are talking about 1838 and not 1938!!! >>
Indeed we are. Oops.