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Is there a decent reference for German Coins that addresses surviving population?
It seems that there are some wide spreads as to values that do not appear to be mintage related- but is predicated on surviving population
As an example- look at the German Empire Mark and 1/2 Mark coins in Krause and it seems that there should be a story behind some of these dates as to why the value is what it is. Obviously, its about surviving population, but some dates that one would think would not be as rare seem to have a higher value- example- a 1909 A Mark has a cat value of 300 and a mintage of over 4 million and a 1902 G has a mintage of under 300,000 and the value is not that much more-
It seems that there are some wide spreads as to values that do not appear to be mintage related- but is predicated on surviving population
As an example- look at the German Empire Mark and 1/2 Mark coins in Krause and it seems that there should be a story behind some of these dates as to why the value is what it is. Obviously, its about surviving population, but some dates that one would think would not be as rare seem to have a higher value- example- a 1909 A Mark has a cat value of 300 and a mintage of over 4 million and a 1902 G has a mintage of under 300,000 and the value is not that much more-
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Moneytrends.at.
it is a Austrian vbased publication and carries every Austrian, Swiss and German coin made between 1871 and now. some even further back.
the publisher, Volker Weege, is very accessible and extremely knowledgeable.
Your answers may lie there...
World Collection
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MA-shops.com
and enter your data.. it is one of the most up to date list, representing over 300 dealers. They all make deals..
the site is in English
you will find the proper pricing for your coins. But you will not find answers to your questions. there, go to Money trends and ask..
IMO, only to be used as reference. NOT as a price guide.
although, European auctioneers do...and sometimes get it.
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Unfortunately, I really did not start this subject in a compelling manner-
With US coins, it seems that there are reference materials that can be found that address rarities and surviving poulations. For example, Morgan Dollars have been fairly well researched and a date by date analysis exits and there is a rationale behind the surviving population. Other works have been done for other series.
One can easily see catalog values for German coins in Krause and other publications, including auction catalogs and in my mind all the dots are not well connected in terms of surviving population and even condition rarity.
The example I used to start this thread was a horrible example because it was done from memory instead of having the coins and Krause in front of me at the time I started- I should have compared the 1905-G to the 1909-A. But that is just one simple example and there are others- one such example is the 1931-G Oak Tree 5 M- None have been graded in MS by PCGS- The mintage is over 1.7 Million- were these just not released and melted? How many really survived and exist today?- Krause has the UNC value in the 950 range and over 1000 in BU. So without having a handle on the surviving population, what would be a reasonable value? Other dates in this series catalog in the 300-500 range with similar mintage figures.
I have elevated the question here because certain coins really seem to be difficult- perhaps the interest is more in type sets than in date sets
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you probably do know that German and other European collectors do not appreciate slabs. They want to hold the coin and feel it.
hence, the POP report can not be accurate at all. Can not even be a indicator.
I know German collectors who do buy a coin in a slab but will break it out immediately.
On the other hand, I do know of 3 German dealers who have their "spies" buy slabbed German coins in the USA and ship them back to Germany and, you guessed it, liberate them into the raw.
And I know of at least one dealer (one of the 3) who buy US raw coins ind Europe and have them slabbed by mainly PCGS in the US and sell them on FeeBay.
as to population reports? here is what I would do : I would contact Volker Weege.... For sure, he can send you in the right direction.
There must be a source from where they get their info. As mentioned, Volker is easy to chat with.