Interesting Norweb pcgs graded ms65 5c.....

DoubleEagle59

1938 Canadian 5c, graded ms65 by PCGS (Norweb collection).

Anybody notice something.

How did this grade?

ajaan

Did George get his neck dipped in green paint?

DoubleEagle59

I think the entire coin is lightly covered in green goo.

Very evident in areas where there's a change of relief.

1960NYGiants

I believe this coin should be sent back under the grade gaurantee. They either make it right by conserving the coin and reholdering it or make you a fair market offer for it.

YQQ

If this coin is MS65, most my nickels which are ICCS Ms 64 and 65 should be 66 and better!
it appears it is also pitted?
someone was asleep on the Loupe...

theboz11

Damage to the eye cheek and hair should have gotten this a 63 IMHO.

DoubleEagle59

<< <i>Damage to the eye cheek and hair should have gotten this a 63 IMHO. >>



The damage above the eye is found on all KGVI nickels in high grades specifically for the years 1938 through to 1941 (and I think 1942).

I have seen many, many ms65's (ICCS and PCGS) from these years and on each and everyone one of them, the area above the eye looks as if the King went 10 rounds with Mike Tyson.

theboz11

Learn something new everyday.

YQQ

If the posted obverse image is a MS65,
what would you experts grades these at:

DoubleEagle59

YQQ...you're comparing apples to oranges.

Your three examples are very nice.

I would guess ICCS would grade them as....

1928 ms64, very possible ms65, not a chance at an ms66.

1948 ms64

1952 ms65, no chance for an ms66.

YQQ

D Eagle, your an excellent grader.
Please explain to me how PCGS can give that coin a 65?
it does not matter as people sometimes do really funny things which afterwards they can not explain it.
I have ICCS graded coins and it beats me how Brian arrived at these grades.
I guess nobody is perfect...

DoubleEagle59

<< <i>D Eagle, your an excellent grader.
Please explain to me how PCGS can give that coin a 65?
it does not matter as people sometimes do really funny things which afterwards they can not explain it.
I have ICCS graded coins and it beats me how Brian arrived at these grades.
I guess nobody is perfect... >>



The purpose of my first post was not what 'ms' grade it is, but rather 'how' did it grade in the first place due to the green 'goo' on the coin?

PCGS has a strict policy of not grading a coin which has PVC damage. I think this coin displays very prominent PVC damage.

Now, in regards to your question of 'how come the PCGS ms65 grade?'

Ignoring the damaged eye area (because we have already established this to be an ever present feature of this series from 1938 to 1942) this coin does display pristine fields and a very minimal amount of marks.

Also bear in mind the magnification of the picture is great and exaggerates the coins' imperfections.

All in all, I think even ICCS would grade this an ms65.

At the very strictest, if it did grade as an ms64, it would be just about the very best ms64 one could ever hope for.

YQQ

Eagle ,
what happened to Georges hair? Maybe just the way the image was taken? or??? rubbed of?
am not looking for an argument here. Just trying to establish what a MS 65 has to be and look like.
could pedigree have influence?
prompted by this post, I took most of my graded coins (ICCS, CCCS, PCGS, NGC and "others" (no NCC) and tried to grade them as good as I could, using my honest ability to grade.
wow...., I was dead on 81 % on all under MS 60 and 67 % on all above.
However, I was totally off and hit only 19% on anything under AU 50.
BUT, what I did notice is the sometimes incredible difference from on TPG to another.
the very critical area for me was G6 to VG10, VF20 to EF 40 and MS 63 to MS 66.
and, it sure looked like the TPG's have a similar problem.
I will try this experiment again some time.
In the meantime I will buy the raw coin anytime over a certified coin.

DoubleEagle59

<< <i>Eagle ,
what happened to Georges hair? Maybe just the way the image was taken? or??? rubbed of?
am not looking for an argument here. Just trying to establish what a MS 65 has to be and look like.
could pedigree have influence?
prompted by this post, I took most of my graded coins (ICCS, CCCS, PCGS, NGC and "others" (no NCC) and tried to grade them as good as I could, using my honest ability to grade.
wow...., I was dead on 81 % on all under MS 60 and 67 % on all above.
However, I was totally off and hit only 19% on anything under AU 50.
BUT, what I did notice is the sometimes incredible difference from on TPG to another.
the very critical area for me was G6 to VG10, VF20 to EF 40 and MS 63 to MS 66.
and, it sure looked like the TPG's have a similar problem.
I will try this experiment again some time.
In the meantime I will buy the raw coin anytime over a certified coin. >>



I understand what you're saying.

One very important thing I forgot to mention is the 1938 nickels are known for their lack of detail.