Question about a pattern coin

PTVETTER

I have a customer than owns a J - 1830
This appears to be VERY rare!

Now the big question is value?

NO auction records
NO price guide

In plastic from ATS. Cleaned and with some damage.
I don,t have the cert number with me but will add that later , because there is a photo on line!

DeliaBug

There is no J-1830. Is it an Aluminum $10?

LindeDad

I would think handling something like that on consignment with the owner setting a bottom line might be in order.

PTVETTER

yes it is a $10.00 Aluminum
proof and on the holder is the J-1830

DeliaBug

It's mis-attributed on the holder then. It's really a J-1380. Checked the book and last one traded was 8/1991. It's R8, very very rare. Only 2-3 minted. Sweet find!!

The pricing numbers in the book, and you need to take these with a grain of salt as they're based on the 1991 sale - $8500 for PR60, $28,000 for PR65.

LindeDad has provided some good advice for selling it.

PTVETTER

you are correct my old memory transposed the #

Your is correct

RYK

That's a coin whose value can best be determined at auction.

Mark

I would probably also try to talk with MrEureka. He is an expert on patterns.

PTVETTER

I called and left my number

2ltdjorn

Or Julian Leidman (Julian on here)

PTVETTER

I will have it at the PAN show starting tomorrow.

stop by and have a llok see!!

oreville

The below pictured (lousy out of focus picture) pattern is the only 1874 aluminum $10 J-1380 graded by PCGS. It is still in the OGH slab.
The only one graded by NGC is the same pattern which was previously graded by NGC and was later graded by PCGS in the same grade in the 1990's. It is believed to be the same pattern auctioned by RARCOA as a PR64 in 1991 and was acquired by Jay Parrino, The Mint in the mid 1990's. It was sold to the undersigned in 1997 and has stayed in the same collection since.

It was green stickered at a later date.

It is indeed incredibly/prohibitively rare.

Julian

Extremely rare. Valuable to $10 Eagle collectors, 1874 collectors, and Rare coin collectors with a mixed focus. Auction or controlled marketing the best, depending on the owner's desires and needs. Patience is critical when marketing this coin.

oreville

PTVETTER,

Your clients's 1874 aluminum proof pattern could also be sought by proof $10 gold collectors who cannot afford the gold version as they are probitively expensive. I call this pattern a poor man's proof $10 Liberty eagle and will be getting an even rarer version in the bargain.

As Julian states, patience is the key. You or your client do not have to apologize for owning this pattern. The ultimate definition of rarity.

Also mine is not for sale for at least 8 more years.

PTVETTER

ATS number is 2583965-001
For those that need to look at it

Mark

Pat:

Is the one ATS as fuzzy as Oreville's?

DeliaBug

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crypto79

I guess

Redskins 31
Stealers 24


Very cool give away

PTVETTER

crypto has the score right but the teams backwords! LOL

2ltdjorn

<< <i>It's mis-attributed on the holder then. It's really a J-1380. Checked the book and last one traded was 8/1991. It's R8, very very rare. Only 2-3 minted. Sweet find!!

The pricing numbers in the book, and you need to take these with a grain of salt as they're based on the 1991 sale - $8500 for PR60, $28,000 for PR65.

LindeDad has provided some good advice for selling it. >>



Pattern books are good for a picture & estimated survival. However I find the pricing structure to be irrelevant. Many will agree I am sure.

2ltdjorn

<< <i>I will have it at the PAN show starting tomorrow.

stop by and have a llok see!! >>




I wish I could make it. I love finding patterns on the bourse floor... Except at the national shows this seems to be a rare treat!