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GSA CC Morgan value by date question

Changed the title to hopefully get some help with this. Where can I find out current actual values of these coins without having to pay for a membership to a website? Please don't say eBay. eBay is not the real world values anymore, use to be at one time, but not anymore.
Thanks for the help.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,919 ✭✭✭✭✭
    78 60,993
    79 4,123
    80 131,529
    81 147,485
    82 605,029
    83 755,518
    84 962,638
    85 148,285
    89 1
    90 3,949
    91 5,687
    92 1 edited
    93 1 edited
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • MitchellMitchell Posts: 560 ✭✭✭✭
    The GSA census for the 1892-CC and 1893-CC hardpacks has one per year. Unlike the 1889-CC, those hardpacks have yet to publicly surface.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,919 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The GSA census for the 1892-CC and 1893-CC hardpacks has one per year. Unlike the 1889-CC, those hardpacks have yet to publicly surface. >>



    I've seen the 93cc and it's in a soft pack....it was up on ebay a couple of years ago. I don't believe there is
    a hardpack 92 or 93.

    Where did you get that info that they are in hardpacks?

    Curious minds want to know!

    bob
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • MitchellMitchell Posts: 560 ✭✭✭✭
    Bob:

    There are several 1892-CC and 1893-CC dollars in softpacks. The current NGC census reports 6 92-CCs and 5 93-CCs to date. These are all low grade coins.

    However, the official GSA census reports do show one 1892-CC and one 1893-CC uncirculated coins were placed in hard packs. I'll dig up my old Numismatc News articles from the 1970s that quote the GSA sources. The same numbers have been reported by Anthony Swiatek in his Morgan and Peace Dollar encyclopedia.

    It's one of those mysteries: where are the missing dates? Did they survive the crack out days?


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  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    78 60,993
    79 4,123
    80 131,529
    81 147,485
    82 605,029
    83 755,518
    84 962,638
    85 148,285
    89 1
    90 3,949
    91 5,687
    92 0
    93 0


    Thank you, that is very helpful.
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  • nagsnags Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    Mitchell is correct. I've heard that the 1892-CC and 1893-CC hardpacks were more than likely cracked out. I think they were sold in the mixed CC lot.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    Hardpack 92-CC and 93-CC exist since they were part of the travelling display of "all dates" of GSA CC dollars that toured the country

    the same source that located and sold the 89-CC hardpack back in 1999 or so stated that the other two (92-CC and 93-CC) are still in the hardpacks and are in a collection of a prominent family.
  • TONEDDOLLARSTONEDDOLLARS Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭
    THE 93-CC IS STILL IN ITS ORIGINAL HARDPAC image
  • MitchellMitchell Posts: 560 ✭✭✭✭
    Sources for the GSA census of Carson City dollars:

    1. Pg. 399 "Morgan and Peace Dollars" by Leroy Van Allen and George Mallis, 4th edition
    Dont forget that Van Allen and Mallis were invited by the GSA to study a sample of the holdings on-site.

    2. Pg 3 Coin World July 19, 1967: a report of a sample of the remaining bags of silver dollars labelled as "mixed". The table notes that one 1889-CC and one 1893-CC were found in this bag. We can presume that because this report is from a sample, the lone 1892-CC was discovered in the unexamined bags.

    Mitchell
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  • nagsnags Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>THE 93-CC IS STILL IN ITS ORIGINAL HARDPAC image >>



    Do you know the potential grade and/or if it will ever be on the market?
  • TONEDDOLLARSTONEDDOLLARS Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>THE 93-CC IS STILL IN ITS ORIGINAL HARDPAC image >>



    Do you know the potential grade and/or if it will ever be on the market? >>



    The coin is not graded and will be on the market someday, but it will be graded when it does show up.
  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Anyone know where I can get a value price guide (free/no membership required) for uncertified hardpack GSA CC Morgans? thx
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  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    changed title and intial post to hopefully get the requested info. Thanks
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭


    << <i>2. Pg 3 Coin World July 19, 1967: a report of a sample of the remaining bags of silver dollars labelled as "mixed". The table notes that one 1889-CC and one 1893-CC were found in this bag. We can presume that because this report is from a sample, the lone 1892-CC was discovered in the unexamined bags. >>



    There were many bags of silver dollars that were in circulated condition - with many dates represented as well as non-cc dates that ended up in blue packs or in the familiar hardpacks.

    As far as I have been told and have read, the 89-CC, 92-CC and 93-CC UNC dollars did not originate from the hoard. These coins were acquired by the GSA to ensure they had a "complete set" to travel the country to pitch the sale.

    It would be good to find out who provided these 3-UNC dollars to the GSA for the purposes of making the "travelling set" complete?
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Anyone know where I can get a value price guide (free/no membership required) for uncertified hardpack GSA CC Morgans? thx >>



    It requires a free membership, but Heritage's auction archives would be my go to source.

    Otherwise, figure around $175 for the average common-date hard pack CC Morgan (1882-CC, 1883-CC, 1884-CC).
  • philographerphilographer Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Please don't say eBay. eBay is not the real world values anymore, use to be at one time, but not anymore. >>



    Why do you say eBay values are not "real world"? And what's your perspective: that eBay prices realized are too high, or too low?

    I think many economists would say that it is one of the best mechanisms for determining true value (actually one bid less than the highest bid). The audience is huge...so it provides a great perspecitve on what something is really worth.

    --Edward

    He who knows he has enough is rich.

  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Why do you say eBay values are not "real world"? And what's your perspective: that eBay prices realized are too high, or too low?

    Too many "friends" bidding on their friends auction doesn't give a realistic value.
    When bidding on Heritage and Teletrade auctions, a buyers premium has to be factored in, so I don't think that is realistic either.

    Thanks for the help so far but I'm still looking for a more accurate place/thing to see what these coins are going for where there can be no "influence" on the value.
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
  • MitchellMitchell Posts: 560 ✭✭✭✭
    7over8:

    I've heard the same thing but have yet to find any original sources or references.

    Mitchell
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