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Does BVG 9.5 really equal a PSA 10?

mygottamygotta Posts: 1,652
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I see a lot of eBay sellers write BVG 9.5=PSA 10 or something of the sort. Either to get PSA keyword search, or there is the mentality that because it says "Gem Mint" on a 9.5, therefore it must mean its as good as a PSA 10. When I see the breakdown of the four points of consideration on a BVG and centering is a 9 (or one of the factors), while the other 3 are a 9.5, it leaves me wondering. In my understanding, BVG does grade cards at a 10.

I am curious to hear some opinions here.

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    In theory, they SHOULD be the same.

    However, there's a lack of hard and strict industry standards as to how to grade a card.
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  • dizzledizzle Posts: 1,051 ✭✭
    The meaning of BVG 9.5 and PSA 10 are both companies designated grade for "gem mint" as it states on the label under the numerical grade, So Yes they are a egual "grade" a BVG 10 = pristine.. same with SGC a 98 is gem mint the equal numerical grade to PSA 10 while the SGC 100 is a Pristine..

    Edit to add = as far as the 9 centering on a gem mint card, There's tons of PSA 10's if sent in would garner a 9 on centering with BGS.. there's weak cards for every grade as well as very strong cards for every given grade,

    Now on paper

    Off of PSA's website
    For a GEM MINT
    "The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse."

    Off of BGS website
    Mint 9
    Centering: 55/45 both ways on front. 70/30 or better on back.

    So PSA's centering standards for a "gem mint" are the Same as BGS centering standards for a 9 (once again on paper) we all know there is overgraded and undergraded cards..
  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    Yes and No
  • cardcollector2000cardcollector2000 Posts: 152
    I think most of the modern BGS 9.5 would cross to a PSA 10. but becareful with alot of 70's and 80's BGS 9.5 baseball and football alot of those are sheet cut cards and PSA wont grade those
  • soundgardsoundgard Posts: 650 ✭
    YES
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭✭
    No.............2 completely different companies and at times 2 completely different sets of grading standards. Also, in vintage the standards aren't even close. Modern I've heard are closer standards.
  • cardcollector2000cardcollector2000 Posts: 152
    i agree with mickey71 BVG is not the best for pre 80 stuff you will not get much for a BVG 9.5 pre 80 card as would with a PSA 10
  • cardcollector2000cardcollector2000 Posts: 152
    nice card but looks sheet cut to me. PSA wouldnt grade it at all . beckett will grade sheet cut cards
  • dizzledizzle Posts: 1,051 ✭✭
    Yeah that sheet cut card would not get in a PSA holder but their is a TON of PSA graded cards that would not make it in a Beckett holder period as well too.. Like all the fake Emmitt smith gator cards they slabbed or fake pujols fleer legacy rc's they slabbed... I mean we can go on and on here about mistakes grading companies make but that's not the purpose of this thread is it?

    From my understanding the OP was asking if a BVG 9.5 and PSA 10 are equal grade per company and the answer is yes they are both companies designated gem mint grade..
  • mygottamygotta Posts: 1,652


    << <i>The meaning of BVG 9.5 and PSA 10 are both companies designated grade for "gem mint" as it states on the label under the numerical grade, So Yes they are a egual "grade" a BVG 10 = pristine.. same with SGC a 98 is gem mint the equal numerical grade to PSA 10 while the SGC 100 is a Pristine..

    Edit to add = as far as the 9 centering on a gem mint card, There's tons of PSA 10's if sent in would garner a 9 on centering with BGS.. there's weak cards for every grade as well as very strong cards for every given grade,

    Now on paper

    Off of PSA's website
    For a GEM MINT
    "The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse."

    Off of BGS website
    Mint 9
    Centering: 55/45 both ways on front. 70/30 or better on back.

    So PSA's centering standards for a "gem mint" are the Same as BGS centering standards for a 9 (once again on paper) we all know there is overgraded and undergraded cards.. >>



    From this logic, then, a "Pristine" card is a higher grade than a "Gem Mint". I might be splitting hairs on this. But given a BGS 9.5 and a SGC 98 are "Gem Mint" cards, while 10 and 100 respectively are considered Pristine, they would follow to be slightly better.

    PSA hands out 9.5's now, do they not? I would guess that previous to this, a 9.5 would equate to a Gem Mint, but if PSA grades a 9.5, then it would be equal to a 9.5?
  • dizzledizzle Posts: 1,051 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The meaning of BVG 9.5 and PSA 10 are both companies designated grade for "gem mint" as it states on the label under the numerical grade, So Yes they are a egual "grade" a BVG 10 = pristine.. same with SGC a 98 is gem mint the equal numerical grade to PSA 10 while the SGC 100 is a Pristine..

    Edit to add = as far as the 9 centering on a gem mint card, There's tons of PSA 10's if sent in would garner a 9 on centering with BGS.. there's weak cards for every grade as well as very strong cards for every given grade,

    Now on paper

    Off of PSA's website
    For a GEM MINT
    "The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse."

    Off of BGS website
    Mint 9
    Centering: 55/45 both ways on front. 70/30 or better on back.

    So PSA's centering standards for a "gem mint" are the Same as BGS centering standards for a 9 (once again on paper) we all know there is overgraded and undergraded cards.. >>



    From this logic, then, a "Pristine" card is a higher grade than a "Gem Mint". I might be splitting hairs on this. But given a BGS 9.5 and a SGC 98 are "Gem Mint" cards, while 10 and 100 respectively are considered Pristine, they would follow to be slightly better.

    PSA hands out 9.5's now, do they not? I would guess that previous to this, a 9.5 would equate to a Gem Mint, but if PSA grades a 9.5, then it would be equal to a 9.5? >>



    No PSA does not have a 9.5 and what I'm saying is not a guess lol..

    PSA 10
    sgc 98
    bgs 9.5
    these 3 are "gem mint" for each grading company...

    SGC 100
    BGS 10
    PSA (no pristine grade)
    These are the "Pristine" grade per each company
  • soundgardsoundgard Posts: 650 ✭


    << <i>nice card but looks sheet cut to me. PSA wouldnt grade it at all . beckett will grade sheet cut cards >>



    Arnt all cards cut from sheets? lol
  • cardcollector2000cardcollector2000 Posts: 152
    yes they are. well PSA did grade the T206 wagner a 8 that was a sheet cut card. maybe they changed their rules after they graded the wagner the next day lol lol
  • dizzledizzle Posts: 1,051 ✭✭


    << <i>yes they are. well PSA did grade the T206 wagner a 8 that was a sheet cut card. maybe they changed their rules after they graded the wagner the next day lol lol >>



    They avoid grading "obvious" sheet cuts like OPC etc... BUT I'll bet anybody on this forum I could cut up a sheet of 1990's cards and they would all get graded..

    Did a little test on here before where I trimmed some cards and sent them to a forum member who claims he could tell which ones were trimmed since it's so easy to spot.. out of 10 cards he couldn't find the 3 trimmed and I'm not sure but I think they went a step further by sending them in and they got holdered by PSA as well..

    Just saying...
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