Help with a couple of Slave Tokens

braddick

Thought these were reasonably priced- but don't know much about them.
I know it's a specialized field, but any additional info would be appreciated!

Here's the first (shot with a Lincoln cent to show size):


Here's the second:

stealer

Here is the first one in the British Museum: Link

I suspect the first one is a replica, simply due to the poor quality of the devices and how the coin appears to be gilt in something other than gold.

jonathanb

British pieces. You might have better luck on the Darkside board.

The gilt one looks totally legit to me.

I don't collect these pieces, so I don't have prices off the top of my head. My impression is that they have some good value, like maybe $200-$400 each. If you get different numbers from someone who knows what they're talking about, listen to them instead of me. :-)

jonathan

DeliaBug

Those tokens are listed in the Dalton Hamer book - The Provincial Token Coinage Of The 18Th Century. A tad hard to do with pictures for the first one but it is most likely D&H Middlesex 236 and that was struck in brass and is 32mm. Is that brass? Now the second one, a farthing, is D&H Middlesex 1118, and for that one, the words are actually the obverse.

Very nice purchases!

Tom

braddick

Thanks guys!

Worth getting certified?

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>Thanks guys!

Worth getting certified? >>



worthy more than most imo
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coinsarefun

<< <i>I just have to say, I don't like these historical pieces, better if they were in a museum because if I was of Afro-American decent they would be upsetting to em just like the Nazi War memorbilia that most likely negatively affect Americans of Jewish persuasion. Sure they are historic, but of a time when cruelty to humans was so severly harsh that I believe it best to be housed in a edifice of disinterested parties. >>







It's quite different from the Nazi and other condesending material. Check out this article, I think it's from a members website, but there is some great information there

I don't have time now but later when I have time to explain I will.
And the American version of the token was started by a women's organization trying to bring awareness
and stop the slavery.

Also, it's a very good thing to have these available to remind people of history and what bad things
in history that happened and should not be repeated.


Edited to add.....sorry about the at times incoherent typing.......the transplant med's are playing games with my brain
the past few months

coinsarefun

Oh, Braddick ........nice tokens, both very popular and command very good money.
Grade them if you want....congrats on some great pickups !

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>I just have to say, I don't like these historical pieces, better if they were in a museum because if I was of Afro-American decent they would be upsetting to em just like the Nazi War memorbilia that most likely negatively affect Americans of Jewish persuasion. Sure they are historic, but of a time when cruelty to humans was so severly harsh that I believe it best to be housed in a edifice of disinterested parties. >>



a tough debate indeed. Keep them as collectables, keep them only in museums for study or just destroy them all and start from scratch. Problem is once we go down these roads, the more and more we see surrounding us the more and more we see that is directly related to homo-sapien's chaotic, cruel, misguided and often feeble attempt(s) to move forward leaving behind from what I can tell is mostly opulence built on rubble. Not attempting to argue or whatnot, just sayin'.

Certain images will most-always stir debate and I do enjoy lucid, intellectual debate/conversation about the preservation or removal of such things. I think at the end of it all I fall on the "may as well let it be since we pretty much one way or the other are doomed to repeat it all over and over again" side; that is, at least going by the past 5-10 millennia or so. I do so enjoy saying the reason we have a hard time figuring it all out is that life is a journey with no maps and attempting to decipher what we want to do vs what we are meant to do can get quite messy. Of course that is if there is meaning to it all.

Ah heck, just ignore me. After listening to Requiem for hours my emotions are quite parallel to an F5.

Let us know if you get 'em slabbed. I'd be interested to see how they designate them. Also, I think we are still waiting for some others you were going to/did submit!
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DeliaBug

<< <i>Thanks guys!

Worth getting certified? >>



Probably worth a gamble as the price difference get quite large between AU & Unc. I found one for you:
Stack's - The Nashville Sale - 5/21/2010 Lot 4287. Great Britain. Middlesex. 1795 farthing. D&H-1118. MS-64 BN (NGC). AM I NOT A MAN AND A BROTHER / ADVOCATES FOR THE RIGHTS OF MAN around, THOs SPENCE / SIR THOs MORE / THOs PAINE on three lines, date below.

Price Realized: $1,380.00

D&H states 1118 is R (old school rating - the book is from 1910 so take that with a grain of salt) and your 236 (if it is a 236) is listed as being common.

Tom