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1936-S Half NGC UNC DETAILS -- REVERSE WHEEL MARK ?

SLQANDSILVERDOLLARNUTSLQANDSILVERDOLLARNUT Posts: 434
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Hi --- I just received a beautiful 1936-s Walking Liberty Half --- I am trying to find the reverse wheel mark. Can anyone help me find it from the pics? 1936-S EBAY LINK, 1936-S NGC PICS

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's most likely the horizontal lines running from the eagles breast area into the wing feathers.

    Coin counter wheel marks (slight rub) are hard to spot straight on but will pop once you angle and rotate the coin under a light source while inspecting with a loupe.

    This coin could easily grade if cracked and resubmitted as it isn't uncommon to see coins with counting wheel marks in graded holders.

    Normally a PQ coin in MS62 holders that looks finer then the grade assigned until you spot the reason why it was net graded.

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    Looks like from the photo there is an area of sheen on the eagles breast feathers. If so, that is what they are referring to.

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks scratched right down the breast.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like from the photo there is an area of sheen on the eagles breast feathers. If so, that is what they are referring to.

    -Paul >>



    Shine would be a better word then sheen, as the counter wheel can at times leave a bright spot.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No offense to the seller or buyer but for that kind of price I would return it and find one with-out the details grade.
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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    most of mine have been circular scrapes on the periphery - I vote for the eagle perch, just above AR in dollar


    You should be able to find it, when coin arrives - an area of coin is scraped off - or scratch mark
  • Lehigh96Lehigh96 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭


    << <i>most of mine have been circular scrapes on the periphery - I vote for the eagle perch, just above AR in dollar


    You should be able to find it, when coin arrives - an area of coin is scraped off - or scratch mark >>



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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>most of mine have been circular scrapes on the periphery - I vote for the eagle perch, just above AR in dollar


    You should be able to find it, when coin arrives - an area of coin is scraped off - or scratch mark >>



    +1 >>



    The counter wheel runs normally through the central portion on the coin and the lines run the same direction as it travels so I doubt it's the marks above AR.
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  • SLQANDSILVERDOLLARNUTSLQANDSILVERDOLLARNUT Posts: 434
    Thank you to everyone for the help --- I'm still learning at age 66 --- I do have the coin in hand and it is a beauty --- I angled the coin under a glass and I can't find any scratches --- I also compared it to all of my PCGS graded walkers and couldn't find any differences.
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NGC says a localized polished mark or series of hairlines in localized area

    cool small pdf book explaining their no grades


    it is also possible that they made a mistake (although rare, it does happen to most TPGs)

    why don't you submit to PCGS? I can't see much downside except submission cost
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thank you to everyone for the help --- I'm still learning at age 66 --- I do have the coin in hand and it is a beauty --- I angled the coin under a glass and I can't find any scratches --- I also compared it to all of my PCGS graded walkers and couldn't find any differences. >>



    Your not alone as if the coin was raw I bet a very high percentage of the collector community and dealers couldn't spot it either. It's not intentional damage and occurred prior to the coin entering the collector market.

    ANACS used to detail net grade for it back in the white chase era, however NCS never did. NGC added it to their list when they decided to their own details grading but prior to that graded wheel marked coins for more then 2 decades.
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  • supertoothsupertooth Posts: 274 ✭
    Hello---- Send me a PM----or open your PM

    I'll try and help you a bit----one old timer to another--- as I have also been through this adventure. Bob [supertooth]
    Bob
  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    There is a dark area in the feathers, just to the right of the eagle's body. That would be
    the first place I would look. Counting wheel marks often show up in coin images as dark
    areas.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    It might be that area above AR and on some feathers along the leg area.

    If nothing more shows in hand than in the pics I think that coin might get in a problem free holder if submitted again. Might be worth a try.
    Ed

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