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Why hasn't there been a post about Adam Greenberg?
matthewbschultz83
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And how incredibly stupid this all is?
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matthewbschultz83
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matthewbschultz83
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matthewbschultz83
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7 years after beaning, Greenberg to step in for the Marlins
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<< <i>There's a great book called Once Around The Bases that tells the story of MANY ex MLB players who only had one at-bat. >>
Greenberg did have one AB in the majors back in 2005....He was "hit by pitch" and is in the record book as such....
IMF
<< <i>Well the Marlins 40 man roster is full... so they will have to DFA someone to get Greenberg on their roster. But lets not worry about that guy's dream. Just so Greenberg gets another AB....err rather plate appearance. >>
please - it's one AB in a meaningless Marlins season. One at bat isn't going to derail the dream of one of the other prospects on the 40-man roster.
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Why didn't the Cubs do this?? They are in 40 man roster hell and have a ton of decisions facing their roster in about a week.
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<< <i>Someone has to be designated for assignment to get Greenberg on the 40 man. They could let him play everyday for the rest of the year that's not the issue. The issue is removing a player on the 40 man roster that EARNED that spot for someone that has not. That's where my issue is. This is silly PR stunt by Jeff Loria to drum up interest in his team that spent record amounts this past off season and announced earlier in the week they are slashing payroll next year.
Why didn't the Cubs do this?? They are in 40 man roster hell and have a ton of decisions facing their roster in about a week. >>
Matt, I get what you you're saying, and agree with you... to a point. Yes, it's a publicity stunt, and yes, the Cubs should have stepped up in the first place. Yes, some guy has to be taken off the 40-man for a day. So park the guy in a hotel for the afternoon, Greenberg gets his moment, and the guy gets put back on the 40-man the next day. Not seeing what the big deal is here. I mean, who says that one guy was gonna get an AB on that day in the first place?
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<< <i>So park the guy in a hotel for the afternoon, Greenberg gets his moment, and the guy gets put back on the 40-man the next day. Not seeing what the big deal is here. I mean, who says that one guy was gonna get an AB on that day in the first place? >>
It's not that simple. That player has to be run through waivers if he's claimed then he goes to another team. If he's not claimed then the Marlins have 10 days to outright him, release him, trade him. Depending on the player and his service time he can refuse the assignment. He might just become a minor league free agent. The player this happens to is probably a fringe player at best, but still his chance will be stunted so Greenberg...who mind you wasn't good enough in 2006...2007....2008...2009 to get a call up, can finally get an official AB.
To the card angle I wonder if his auto is worth buying for an immediate flip. Probably not worth it.
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"The Marlins received approval from MLB commissioner Bud Selig to give Greenberg a plate appearance next week." (ESPN article)
It is very possible Sir Bud granted an exemption of the 40 man roster to allow this to happen. Even is he didn't grant an exemption the Marlins could identify a handful of minor leaguers they were going to dump from the 40 man roster this winter anyway. Since the minor league seasons are over what's the difference dumping someone now or later?
I think the point of the entire situation is that it is ok to have a heart. This is a feel good story (at least for most). As for the Marlins stepping up to make this happen it was one of their pitchers who hit the guy in the head.
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<< <i>So park the guy in a hotel for the afternoon, Greenberg gets his moment, and the guy gets put back on the 40-man the next day. Not seeing what the big deal is here. I mean, who says that one guy was gonna get an AB on that day in the first place? >>
It's not that simple. That player has to be run through waivers if he's claimed then he goes to another team. If he's not claimed then the Marlins have 10 days to outright him, release him, trade him. Depending on the player and his service time he can refuse the assignment. He might just become a minor league free agent. The player this happens to is probably a fringe player at best, but still his chance will be stunted so Greenberg...who mind you wasn't good enough in 2006...2007....2008...2009 to get a call up, can finally get an official AB.
To the card angle I wonder if his auto is worth buying for an immediate flip. Probably not worth it. >>
Incorrect. Most of the who you call "fringe" players have built in exceptions to their contract that allow them to be removed from the 40 man a certain amount of times. Only when the organization's allotment is up does the player go through the process you described. There are many other options as well: placing someone on the DL, releasing someone to personal leave, getting an exception from MLB. I also strongly disagree with your "stunted growth" argument but being that is just opinion you are entitled to it and could even be right.
It is a publicity stunt. Jeffrey Loria doesn't have a heart. See Expos, Montreal.
*fixing sloppy grammar
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Justin Ruggiano just got injured last week and will be out for the rest of the season.
Putting him on the 60-day DL opens a free spot for Greenberg.
Nick
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<< <i>He's also donating the $3,000 one-day salary to the Florida Marlins’s foundation, which will donate it to an organization that studies the effects of brain trauma in athletes. What jerks Adam Greenburg and the Florida Marlins are... >>
I never said that. In fact I really don't put any of this on the player. He didn't ask for any of it - the documentary, the online petition, etc. It's great that the money is going to charity. I still think it's a shameless plug by a spineless owner. But I'm also cynical so there's that.
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Thats a very heartless comment I think. This is an awesome story. At this point, the Marlins have NOTHING to gain by this except giving someone there dream and making it a reality. Im from Miami and Im going to this game. It will be emotional for me seeing him up there after knowing his story. I will be standing up and rooting for Mr. Greenberg.
Matt, it must just be we Rangers fans that are heartless. 40 years of losing tends to do that to a person, LOL
Mike
Seriously Mike?
Greenberg "Blowing" His Chance
<< <i>There's a great book called Once Around The Bases that tells the story of MANY ex MLB players who only had one at-bat. >>
Thanks you, im buying this tomarrow. It sounds awesome.
<< <i>But he did earn his shot, has been playing baseball in the minors ever since, and is getting this opportunity by the team that beaned him in the first place. How anyone could find negative in this situation just blows my mind. Good for the fans, good for baseball, good for Adam Greenburg. I guess no good deed goes unpunished. >>
Jeff,
I don't think saying we don't like it on a message board is punishing them for a "good" deed. Im not going to withhold the purchase of a Florida ticket, or not purchase Florida garments, etc because they made this decision. As a matter of fact, since he's getting this gift opportunity, I hope he takes full advantage of it and whacks a homer. Just too much Bill Veeck-ish for me in this day and age.
Mike
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<< <i>There's a great book called Once Around The Bases that tells the story of MANY ex MLB players who only had one at-bat. >>
Greenberg did have one AB in the majors back in 2005....He was "hit by pitch" and is in the record book as such....
IMF >>
No, a HBP is a plate-appearance, but it is not an at-bat.
<< <i> Greenberg already had his chance
Seriously Mike?
Greenberg "Blowing" His Chance >>
Yes Foo, seriously. I never said "blowing" his chance unless my iPad autocorrect did that. I said he "had his chance.". Big difference. I'm not talking about one random major league at bat. He had his chance to live the major league experience, even if for a brief period of time, that many minor leaguers NEVER get to experience. Some because of talent or lack thereof, some because of baseball politics, some because of random injury or a myriad of other things. He got to share the joy of getting called up to the bigs with his family and friends. He gets to refer to himself for the rest of his life as a former big league ballplayer. He has a unique story to share. He had his own baseball cards. He had his chance
I saw plenty of guys that were no doubt major league talents never get there because of injury in the minors. It's never fair. My best friend quit baseball after finding he wife all but dead on the floor when he returned home one night during the off season. He was on the 40 man and on his way to the majors, but he sacrificed his career for her. That is a tragedy.
Greenburg got there. More than most can say.
I do think it has haunted him so to speak and hope it gives him some closure from his life as a ballplayer, but there are hundreds / thousands that should have got the second chance but didn't.
I think the rub is that he gets a chance over someone in AA or AAA who is better right now. Isn't that unfair to someone else in the Marlins organization?
Foo we've had 1 transaction on this board and it went perfect. I have no qualms with you. I think you're a great poster who brings a lot to this board. I appreciated you getting the Canseco autos for us.
I do have to question how you as a Marlin fan can think Loria is a good owner. While the end gesture may be nice, I think it has nothing to do with the fact a Marlins pitcher hit Greenberg and everything to do with a PR stunt. He came out earlier this week and said payroll was going to down by 15-25 million. Their payroll is just over $100 million. Cutting by $25 would be $75 million. They have $84 million already tied up to current players for 2013. He help bring about the demise of the Montreal Expos. Last week he called a former manager (Freddi Gonzalez) who just took a division rival to the playoffs classless because he said the truth. Loria also said Gonzalez was a colossal failure when he led a team with no financial backing to a .500+ record. I would say he's in the bottom 5 of MLB owners.
If you donate 1 million dollars to charity because it would help you get out of jail it doesn't make your donation any less great, but it makes the motives behind such clearly questionable. I think that's what we have here. The timing of the 2 announcements sure are fishy to me.
Greenberg is playing for Team Israel as they try to qualify for next year's WBC. So far he's had 1 plate appearance. Ironically, he walked - no official PA.
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<< <i>If you donate 1 million dollars to charity because it would help you get out of jail it doesn't make your donation any less great, but it makes the motives behind such clearly questionable. >>
Sounds familiar... who donates millions of dollars to charity with questionable motives... the name is slipping my mind right now.
Oh well, carry on!
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<< <i>I'm betting you were no fan of eddie gaedel either.. >>
He made it onto the short list... HAYOOOOO!!
And Mike, you are correct. Your iPad never auto corrected you lol. Although I still disagree with your reasoning - I misquoted you. I'm sorry.
Since Im going to the last 3 games of the Season for the Marlins (all against the Mets
baseball gives Mr. Greenberg an opportunity to walk away from the chalk lines on his own terms, without being helped to his feet and treated like an outpatient.
he knows his future in MLB is now. and it will be in the past come the first week of October.
and yes it's all about good PR, which the sport desperately needs.
<< <i>it's about closure.
baseball gives Mr. Greenberg an opportunity to walk away from the chalk lines on his own terms, without being helped to his feet and treated like an outpatient.
he knows his future in MLB is now. and it will be in the past come the first week of October.
and yes it's all about good PR, which the sport desperately needs. >>
every time Jeff posts, I get smarter. I'm almost back to balanced after getting waylaid by 10 minutes of Toddlers & Tiaras the other night.
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