OCC - how about a die pairing numbers thread? i'll get us started

LanceNewmanOCC

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updated 1-14-13 - links to other accidental double-thread - need to combine dies and die pairs used into one thread.

Bob Julian in Numismatic Scrapbook


1c - 1872 - 30 Obv - 4 Shal Rev - 30 Bold Rev - known
1c - 1877 - 2 Obv - 1 Rev - known

1c 1909 S - Lincoln - 6 Obv ? Rev - known
1c 1909 S VDB - 4 Obv ? Rev - known - possibly 2 different die chips in top loop of the S mintmark. I'll be confirming this very soon.
1c 1914 D - 6 Obv - 7 Rev - known
1c 1922 D - 20 Obv 20 Rev - known


10c - 1916 D - Obv ? - 4 Rev - 2 are RPM and 2 are not. 2 & 3 are rpm and 1 & 4 aren't - known

$1 - 1893 S - 1 Obv - 2 Rev - known
$1 - 1894 - 1 Obv - 1 Rev - known

$1 -1795 - (12 Obv 11 Rev (Bolender))

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ones i'd like to know - i'll keep adding to this list

1908 s 1c
1909 s 1c - indian

1955 DDO 1c - I will guess just one, but maybe the master die/hub produced more than one die combo.

1937 D 5c 3 1/2 legger

1872 2c

1880 5c
1881 5c
1885 5c
1886 5c

1912 s 5c

1921 s 5c
1926 s 5c

1895 o 10c
1901 s 10c
1903 s 10c

1896 s 25c
1901 s 25c
1913 s 25c

1916 25c
1923 s 25c
1927 s 25c

1889 CC $1
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LoveMyLiberty

1872 Indian Cent circulation strike

Snow estimates 30 obv. dies
4 rev. shallow N dies
30 Bold N rev. dies

1877 Indian Cent circulation strike

Snow states 2 obv. dies
1 rev.die


1909-S Lincoln Cent

6 obv. dies
not certain the number of rev. dies


1909S-VDB Lincoln Cent

4 working obv. dies used
not certain how many rev. dies
the same "S" was used at the S.F.
mint from 1909 to 1917

1914-D Lincoln Cent

6 obv. dies
7 rev. dies
the same m/m "D" was used at the Denver Mint
from 1911 to mid 1917

1922-D Lincoln Cent

20 obv. dies
27 rev. dies


This information is just hearsay until someone who was there comes forward.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>This information is just hearsay until someone who was there comes forward. >>



while a lot of information about the number of dies used may be debatable, from that information one can still find very useful strategies to use to thwart purchasing counterfeits/authentication

tyvm!

edited to add. when very few dies are used for either the obv or rev, it can be just enough to authenticate from one side.
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LanceNewmanOCC

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updated first post a bit
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Manorcourtman

A great idea here. Just a little to advanced for most of us greenhorns

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>A great idea here. Just a little to advanced for most of us greenhorns >>



hehe. i am asking for some of the information so that puts me in the greenhorn category as well :-)

It is to serve an end goal, and that goal is to streamline images for authentication.

I notice I spend too much time authenticating some coins and this can significantly be reduced by having images for certain parts of the coin(s) from ALL the known marriages and if a coin in question doesn't match, it will be 99.99% a counterfeit based on the known die pairing information.

Just attempting to be more efficient, professional and accurate you could say.

I'm going to be doing the hard part but will share my findings but I just need some assistance along the way.
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lkeigwin

From RWB ATS.
Lance.

Re: An inquiry by poster “LanceNewmanOCC” on PCGS about number of dies used.

Here are a few numbers:
1-cent 1908, SF, 4 obv and 4 rev sent Nov 13, 1908. Only shipment of cent dies.

1909 SF mint
$20 13 pairs used
$10 7 pairs used
$5 15 obv, 4 rev used
Half 10 obv, 7 rev used
Quarter 6 obv, 7 rev used
Dime 4 obv, 4 rev used
Cent – Indian 2 pair, Lincoln obv 18, Lincoln VDB rev 5, Lincoln rev, no VDB 20

Annual die destruction lists exist for many years. There is a lot more information available, much of it was published by Bob Julian in Numismatic Scrapbook years ago.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>From RWB ATS.
Lance.

Re: An inquiry by poster “LanceNewmanOCC” on PCGS about number of dies used.

Here are a few numbers:
1-cent 1908, SF, 4 obv and 4 rev sent Nov 13, 1908. Only shipment of cent dies.

1909 SF mint
$20 13 pairs used
$10 7 pairs used
$5 15 obv, 4 rev used
Half 10 obv, 7 rev used
Quarter 6 obv, 7 rev used
Dime 4 obv, 4 rev used
Cent – Indian 2 pair, Lincoln obv 18, Lincoln VDB rev 5, Lincoln rev, no VDB 20

Annual die destruction lists exist for many years. There is a lot more information available, much of it was published by Bob Julian in Numismatic Scrapbook years ago. >>



tyvm Ikeigwin and RWB. Information like that will go a long way. I'll also start digging on work that others have done so as not to re-invent the wheel so to speak.
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LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>Bob Julian in Numismatic Scrapbook years ago. >>


Congratz to Bob for being named Numismatist of the Year
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Easycoinsales

For general info just a quick question on modern coins. For example lets say 2012 American Eagle. About how many dies will there be 20-100??

Sorry not trying to take this off topic at all

DIMEMAN

I don't think anyone cares how many dies were used to make a billion coins yesterday!

All of the coins he listed were low mintage!

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>All of the coins he listed were low mintage! >>


on that subject. from the info RWB provided, it makes one wonder about some future over-zealously ambitious goals!
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LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>From RWB ATS.
Lance.
Annual die destruction lists exist for many years. There is a lot more information available, much of it was published by Bob Julian in Numismatic Scrapbook years ago. >>



i KNEW i'd find it in the archives. YAY BABY!

ty r. burdette, ikeig and forum archives.
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LanceNewmanOCC

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