Is this a clip? Morgan dollar...

AUandAG

Ebay

bob

Broadstruck

Yes it's a rim clip and seems to be in the right slab... PICC = Poor Idiot Cleaned Coin

Shamika

The denticles are missing, but the rim appears to be intact. Very odd.

blu62vette

Maybe they polished it off when they polished the coin.

TorinoCobra71

looks like the RIM is smashed on the OBV at 3 o'clock. I like how the seller tilted the coin to the light so you cant tell if it has been messed with or not. The whole coin looks washed out in those photos...........

Shamika

By the way, that coin is FUGLY!

TorinoCobra71

<< <i>PICC = Poor Idiot Cleaned Coin >>

messydesk

<< <i>looks like the RIM is smashed on the OBV at 3 o'clock. I like how the seller tilted the coin to the light so you cant tell if it has been messed with or not. The whole coin looks washed out in those photos........... >>


Oh, you can tell it's been messed with. Next to the "moon shot," this is probably the most flattering picture of this coin.

seanq

The clip is real, though I'm not certain the coin is. I have a seated dollar from our friends overseas with a genuine rim clip, so it would not be unprecedented for them to make a mint error.

If it is a genuine Mint coin then it is exceedingly rare, I can't recall but one other clipped CC dollar, and that one was in a GSA holder. In unmolested AU, I'd probably consider snagging it at that opening bid for the error alone.


Sean Reynolds

AUandAG

yes, my thought exactly about being rare. I would not have posted it if it had not been messed
with .

But, as a polished turd I'm passing.

bob

stealer

Coin appears to be fake. C'mon Bob, get your game together

tightbudget

It's a real clip but I'm not sure about the authenticity of the coin

seanq

<< <i>It's a real clip but I'm not sure about the authenticity of the coin >>




Can anyone speak to the authenticity of the coin itself? I know it is a cleaned dog but because of the clip I'm still very interested in tracking this one. Looking at the sellers other items, he has some Morgans in the same slabs listed as true auctions, with only a handful of Buy It Now / Make an offer type listings. If this coin ever goes up for a true auction, I can see myself being a strong player.


Sean Reynolds

DorkGirl

I would have never guessed the clip was real. Looks like a polished grinder mark to me. The pics aren't good enough for me to VAM it. I'd need a closeup of the cc. It does look real to me, polished to death, but real.

FredWeinberg

I don't like making comments from bad scans,
but here I go:

I don't like the 'weak' denticles from 6:00 to 8:00
on the Obverse - the same weakness is in the exact
same position on the reverse - when, it should be
at 10:00 to 12:00 on the reverse if it were some
striking anomaly.

I also don't like the "CC" mintmark - seems too
thick - I realize the coin is cleaned/polished, but
it just doesn't look right.

That being said, the clip looks 'real' to me - I'm not
sure of the whole coin, however.

Just my thoughts.

CEOcoinshopcom

Run Forrest, Run!

seanq

The auction now has a bidder at the opening price. It is not me, I promise you.


Sean Reynolds

19Lyds

For the record, In Fred and Arnie's Error Coin Encyclopedia, this type of clip is referred to as a "Disk Clip".

To quote:

“.........the term Disk Clip has been used to describe any coin which has a small indented area in the rim design. Ideally, the coin will have a full diameter and be completely round. At the same time, there will be a small depressed area which creates a small void in the rim design. The edge will be fully formed, but a bit narrower in height at this position.

In the case of larger coins such as Morgan dollars, the disk clip will be very obvious. There will be a small dip in the rim design as observed from either the obverse or reverse side. However the edge will have full reeding and the coin will be completely round. There will be no noticeable difference in the normal weight of the coin, which will usually be well within acceptable tolerances.”

Other than the above, I have no comment on the authenticity of the coin or the validity of the disk clip.

johnny9434

thats one coin that i would stay away from. its got fugly written all over it. on the a good note thou, the shipping is low

seanq

Believe it or not, a second bidder came in and pushed the final hammer to $345. It's a shame someone shined that one up, as a first year of issue Carson City error coin it could have been extremely appealing.


Sean Reynolds

AUandAG

<< <i>Believe it or not, a second bidder came in and pushed the final hammer to $345. It's a shame someone shined that one up, as a first year of issue Carson City error coin it could have been extremely appealing.


Sean Reynolds >>



The clip by itself is worth the $345.
The coin by itself is worth the $345

Together they are worth about $45 with all the damage/polishing.

bob

WoodenJefferson

The rim was damaged as a result of the pair of pliers that was used during the buffing process.

I'm always interested in the different kinds of clips that can occur. I understand that there was always a 'visual inspection' of silver dollars before they were bagged, so not many got through into circulation.

gonzer

<< <i>The rim was damaged as a result of the pair of pliers that was used during the buffing process.

>>



How would this account for the presence of the minor Blakesley effect opposite the clip?

seanq

<< <i>

<< <i>The rim was damaged as a result of the pair of pliers that was used during the buffing process.

>>



How would this account for the presence of the minor Blakesley effect opposite the clip? >>




As stated earlier, the clip is genuine. That is what the denticles look like on clips of that size on Morgan dollars, they will still be very weakly struck because of the degree of upsetting the rim received before the strike. I don't blame anyone for not recognizing it because clips of that magnitude on Morgan dollars (especially pre-1921) are very scarce to rare.

Pictured below is an 1881 Morgan clip from my personal collection, it was the earliest Morgan clip I'd seen until the 1878-CC in question. Look in particular at the rim on the reverse, you can see the same faintly struck denticles as the auction coin.




Sean Reynolds