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1793 chain cent - real?

12voltman12voltman Posts: 120 ✭
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This coin is on another forum looking to be verified as real. I'm curious what the experts here think. image
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"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H.L. Mencken

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  • michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    Looks real beat upimage No it looks real to me.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    i would prefer better images so i won't go 100% either way, but i will say

    90% not authentic. reverse lettering doesn't match imo
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That coin frightens me in a very real way.

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Who cares?
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  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't touch it - to me it has the look of intentionally inflicted damage (of the sort used to obliterate words like COPY).
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  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    wouldn't touch it - to me it has the look of intentionally inflicted damage (of the sort used to obliterate words like COPY). <<<< i agree. without being knowledgeable enough of the chain cents, i think id let someone else take the risk.
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭
    I would be worried about why the designs are still so strong despite the near basal state of the coin.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,848 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wouldn't touch it - to me it has the look of intentionally inflicted damage (of the sort used to obliterate words like COPY). >>



    Agree. Perhaps it was a Gallery Mint artificially worn and aged to hide its orgins.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,885 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I wouldn't touch it - to me it has the look of intentionally inflicted damage (of the sort used to obliterate words like COPY). >>



    Agree. Perhaps it was a Gallery Mint artificially worn and aged to hide its orgins. >>

    That would be my #1 concern as well.

    Not that I would have any idea.

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  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wouldn't touch it - to me it has the look of intentionally inflicted damage (of the sort used to obliterate words like COPY). >>



    I agree
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  • 12voltman12voltman Posts: 120 ✭
    As far as I know it's not for sale and I wouldn't want it if it was. I agree with the " who cares" response in theory but I thought it was real so I was just curious what more knowledgeable people thought to test my own conclusion.
    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H.L. Mencken
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wouldn't touch it - to me it has the look of intentionally inflicted damage (of the sort used to obliterate words like COPY). >>



    What JA said.

    With a coin of high value if genuine, and no value if it is a damaged modern copy, why hasn't it been submitted to a grading service to find out which it is?

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  • Kaline6Kaline6 Posts: 345 ✭


    << <i>.
    i would prefer better images so i won't go 100% either way, but i will say

    90% not authentic. reverse lettering doesn't match imo
    . >>



    Could you say more about the lettering mismatch? Thanks!
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>.
    i would prefer better images so i won't go 100% either way, but i will say
    90% not authentic. reverse lettering doesn't match imo
    . >>


    Could you say more about the lettering mismatch? Thanks! >>



    with only 4 known die marriages (1 nc, so 5 total) for the usa chain cents, it is an easy comparison. the "n" is off. "one cent" is off. imo

    my nc 1 image is not good enough for comparison. I will get one soon enough. - turns out i do have a high grade image for study, but it is smaller than i would like

    also the obverse bust doesn't look spot on for what little is there.

    i will end with "i would prefer better images" before committing 100% either way
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    since we are on the subject, i'll do a plug for the old coinfacts, yes coinfacts.com image

    i still use it and am constantly awed by the vast amount of information on those pages

    the coin i linked to is not directly related to this discussion

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  • joecopperjoecopper Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭
    12volt
    I agree with comments on overly beat up chain
    Also - I looked at some Chain Americas and did not like the profile of the face and forehead on this piece. The hair looked too "slicked back", more like Gallery Mint and the mouth appear a better match for GM. On the reverse - the real ones had UNITED further from the rim, on GM appeared closer. Iexpect that die marriage pros will pick it apart as well.
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anyone who acquires a chain cent like this and relies on internet forums for authentication is kidding themselves. This is the exact kind of coin that Genuine slabs were designed for. They should send it in to PCGS and get a definitive answer!


  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Anyone who acquires a chain cent like this and relies on internet forums for authentication is kidding themselves. This is the exact kind of coin that Genuine slabs were designed for. They should send it in to PCGS and get a definitive answer! >>



    It may not be worth the $38 certification fee.

    The reverse legend lettering does not appear genuine to me. This is difficult, however, with the amount of wear and damage present.

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