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Have a new favorite - one that should appeal to Colonial and civil war period collectors (updated).

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
QDB offered several CWT's that he bought from the Tanenbaum estate recently.

Couldn't pass on this one as it has appeal on several levels - coins that circulated in early America, Civil War era coinage and a personal favorite - CWT's struck over other coins.

Plus, I simply like the obverse design - this CWT (NY-630-BO-2fo) was struck over a Mexican 1 reale. image

Update

I've been looking hard at the undertype of the CWT and I can make out 1R and the left upright of a "M" for the mintmark. Initials FF. I'm pretty sure it's Carolus III. That's about as far as I can take it so far - no remnant of the date.

So, it's somewhere between 1778-85, 1787-88.

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice! What I like most is that it was struck over a 2 reales coin.
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it in a doily?
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VERY cool! Great pick up. MJ
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,563 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Very nice! What I like most is that it was struck over a 2 reales coin. >>


    Ditto! That's a very cool coin!
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    JK - you know better. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    Great cwt!
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way Kewl!

    Can you read the date on the understrike?
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man, that thing on the obverse looks pissed off.
    MJ, you'd better sleep with your tights (er, lights) on. Tokens can be pretty scary.image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very neat token. I can see why it would appeal to Civil War period collectors but I'm not sure why you would say that it would appeal to colonial period collectors. Can the 2 reale coin that it was struck over be identified as being from the colonial era? Actually, this token would appeal to anyone that likes history or coins.image

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you read the date on the understrike?

    Nope - sometime from 1772-1825 is the best QDB and I could come up with - some lettering of the obverse can be made out but the date of the under-type is gone.

    I'm not sure why you would say that it would appeal to colonial period collectors

    It's the "coins that circulated in early America" thing - even if not a true US colonial coin.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it copper?
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it copper?

    Nope - silver.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VERY cool! Love how the undertype shows like that.

    The pillar at the top sorta looks like a cannon.

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Spanish colonial 2 reales coins were the most common silver coins in circulation in many parts of colonial North America. In the early federal period, and right up to the 1850's, Spanish colonial silver coins were used as billboards---U.S. merchants counterstruck them for use as advertising. And they made a modest return to circulation during the Civil War, when U.S. coins disappeared from circulation because of hoarding.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Very neat token. I can see why it would appeal to Civil War period collectors but I'm not sure why you would say that it would appeal to colonial period collectors. Can the 2 reale coin that it was struck over be identified as being from the colonial era? Actually, this token would appeal to anyone that likes history or coins.image >>



    I can see CAROLUS from the undertype on the obverse of the token, so it's on a Charles III or Charles IV 2-reales. Which is close enough, when it comes to being a colonial era tie-in. I can't see the Mexico City mintmark, though, so do we know for sure the host coin was Mexican and not from one of the other Spanish colonies?

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  • NewEnglandRaritiesNewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭✭
    Very cool. I love it! Over struck CWTs are really interesting and this one is more so based on it being silver and the colonial circulating tie in. Great pickup!
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Update on the first page re: the undertype coin. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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