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Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Ric Flair CSA Gem Mint


This card just sold today and I was wondering if anyone has any information on this grading company.


There is no chance this card will cross to a PSA 10 with the white line that is found on many of these a 1/3 of an inch in from the left border and perhaps other flaws.


Either way it would seem the seller did very good here.


Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Comments

  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭✭
    Basement grading. It is either trimmed, altered or was a lower graded card like a 7 put into a 10.

    Also I want to know who in there right mind would pay $1,725 for this crap:
    Jordan
  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Basement grading. It is either trimmed, altered or was a lower graded card like a 7 put into a 10. >>



    I agree that I would be suspect, but I have cracked a vintage card they graded a 4 and PSA graded it a 6 so whatever...............
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  • PiggsPiggs Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭
    Bought a '52 topps high number CSA 7.5 at a show but took 45 minutes for me and several friends to look it over before I bought it. Got it graded by PSA and came back a 7. Just really look over the card carefully before you buy. Doug
  • CocoaBeachDodgersCocoaBeachDodgers Posts: 750 ✭✭✭
    Once bought a 1960 Schoendienst CSA 9 on ebay, paid like $3, that was the only reason I bought it. Once I got it, you could see corner wear without magnification, probably a PSA 5 or 6 at the best.

    Another occasion, bought a 1930 something handut Jack Dempsey CSA 7. I was going to cross grade but I called PSA & they didn't grade that card. That's the extent of my dealings with them.

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  • cardcollector2000cardcollector2000 Posts: 152
    pretty much worthless grading company. they grade altered and trimmed cards all the time.
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    ...more than just a basement grading company (they do shows), but wouldn't buy with confidence that's for sure.
  • gregmo32gregmo32 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭
    You do have to be careful.

    There used to be a reputable company called CSA that graded cards maybe twelve years ago. They were not as consistent or respected as PSA or SGC, but they did make an actual attempt to grade properly.

    The holder of this Ric Flair card is from a different company, one that I assume is not reputable, along the lines of what previous posters have said.
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  • soundgardsoundgard Posts: 650 ✭


    << <i>pretty much worthless grading company. they grade altered and trimmed cards all the time. >>



    As does every grading company lol.
  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    The original CSA was related to ASA which was Alan Hager grading company that I believe actually predates PSA, ......if not, its just as old
  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    CSA has changed their labels a lot over the years. The original company was based in Ohio and one of the early grading companies, Hager started them in their business but I do not think he was involved. That holder is more recent. I crossed a few of their Star Company cards from the original holders. Unfortunately, there is probably a good reason it is in the CSA holder and has not been crossed to another grading company.
  • hockeycrazyhockeycrazy Posts: 309 ✭✭
    I bought a 1963 York CSA 9 Terry Sawchuk and crossed it to a PSA 9. Did not even have to crack open to submit. Straight cross.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi everyone

    Wish I were more organized. I can't find an SCD with the - first sale of "franchises by ASA - aka Alan Hager - and second the creation and marketing of CSA which came out of Ohio.

    But, of interest - I will show you where Hager was not only trying to create other McDonaldesque "mirrors" of ASA but also seemed to be trying divest ASA:

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    This was in 1994.

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    This guy - over the years - has been involved in many lawsuits dealing with his coin and card grading operations.

    I dealt with him back in the early 1990s - I found him to be a really nice person to deal with but one could not trust their grading. I - even - asked him at the 1992 National - how can you grade AND "sell" cards - he told me: "integrity." "I have nothing to do - directly - with the grades assigned." I'll let the audience make their determination?

    E.g. - he sent me a common T205 to look at - graded 8PQ - or something like that - Nmmt; the card had an "obvious" crease in the upper left corner! Sent it back - never asked to look at another.

    Hager - I believe - was the first to come up with a holder that protected the corner - the Arrowhead - and patented it. The status: Expired.

    He also patented the 10 Point grading system which is used ubiquitously in our TPG world. Also expired.

    An early company in the 80s was Superlative which went belly up. In fact - as many may remember SGC went belly up once.

    Alan Hager can be accused or "typed" as many things - and one - for sure - is "Innovator."



    Mike
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't know about all the business practices and all of that..............but Alan Hager was an absolute expert in cards. Like I said all of the companies and grading and all of that I might not agree with.........but he was one of the most knowledgeable card minds around. I think I talked with him for about 2 hours straight and asked him a million questions back in like 1993. I think his arrowhead holder was incredibly innovative. I actually bought a bunch of the holders back in the day. They were wonderful for long term storage.

    In fact........I believe he hooked me on grading cards. I never sent or bought an ASA card. He had a showcase full that would blow your mind.

    Mickey71
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't know about all the business practices and all of that..............but Alan Hager was an absolute expert in cards. Like I said all of the companies and grading and all of that I might not agree with.........but he was one of the most knowledgeable card minds around. I think I talked with him for about 2 hours straight and asked him a million questions back in like 1993. I think his arrowhead holder was incredibly innovative. I actually bought a bunch of the holders back in the day. They were wonderful for long term storage.

    In fact........I believe he hooked me on grading cards. I never sent or bought an ASA card. He had a showcase full that would blow your mind.

    Mickey71 >>

    Hiya Mickey

    Totally agree.

    As I said - I found him to be very friendly and informative - my discussions with him sometimes lasted for an hour and I found his knowledge to be nothing short of encyclopedic!

    The first time I met him back in 1992 - he put this holder in my hand - I agree with you - it's the best way to store really nice cards not getting TPG'ed.

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    Mike
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