Does NCS clean (conservate) a stain on a graded coin?
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I have a coin that is graded UNC detail with artificial toning and stain. Anyone knows if I can send it to NCS to remove the stain and conserve the toning then send it to NGC or PCGS to re-grade? Would that work? Anyone did something like this before? Thanks.
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<< <i>I have a coin that is graded UNC detail with artificial toning and stain. Anyone knows if I can send it to NCS to remove the stain and conserve the toning then send it to NGC or PCGS to re-grade? Would that work? Anyone did something like this before? Thanks. >>
You could always crack it out and dip it yourself since it's already a problem coin. To answer your question, NCS will review your coin and, if they don't think they can improve it, they will return your coin without it being conserved.
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<< <i>You could always crack it out and dip it yourself since it's already a problem coin. To answer your question, NCS will review your coin and, if they don't think they can improve it, they will return your coin without it being conserved. >>
Does NCS review it with the holder?
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<< <i>You could always crack it out and dip it yourself since it's already a problem coin. To answer your question, NCS will review your coin and, if they don't think they can improve it, they will return your coin without it being conserved. >>
Does NCS review it with the holder? >>
Yes but they don't guarantee a successful outcome anymore than a transplant surgeon would guarantee a successful outcome. They use their ccoonsiderable experience and expertise and do their best to help the coin.
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I would send it in while still in the holder. Depending on the concoction used to AT the coin, it may not come off in E-Z-EST dip. Some coin doctors' "recipes" are pretty greasy/weird, and NCS has more experience than most people in knowing what works.
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<< <i>That's a very cool coin. From the looks of that "toning," I definitely would let them take care of it. I think there's a decent chance that could get into a straight-graded holder. >>
i agree and it will look exceptional (white) afterwards. there are many examples with images listed on their site
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Many coins should not be submitted to them; IMO they are very good with spotted gold coins or fire damaged or salvage coins.
Having gotten back quite a few quite expensive coins as "stained" I've been well schooled by bitter experience on the classification phenomenon for staining. Partially blind, I just don't see dark ingrained corrosion, neither AT patterns nor hues. Whatever the most technically correct evaluation and technical observations might be made by a TPG,
so what.....
A designation in the US as "market-unacceptable" means this:
We're not going to gamble our liability self-insurance with that one except to say it's genuine.
The buyers for these coins read what the coins say through the filter of their national history, language and culture. Their valuations of virtues, faults and desireablity are viewed through idiosyncratically different prisms.
Asians, as do all nations and cultures, set the live market for pieces such as this. Not US based TPG's. Grading services, which help faciltate these markets, are not at the nexus of the ultimate arbiters of quality, preservation and provenance. Even for rare and PR70DCAM Pandas. Due diligence does not end with getting opinions from Forum members
Consult a specialist who is intimately connected with the Asian market players and you will be treated very competently.
I've seen a lot of messed up stuff, and don't see what the particular mix of messes is from the pictures.
But this not a technical /micro issue. It's market/macro. Way too many Asian collectors, as a pool, the ultimate buyers, won't want white. And if I'm wrong, at least I encouraged you to find someone who really has the knowledge and the skills
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1870's-90's Japan? Asian culture venerates the waves of history in which it has ridden their remembered millenia. Whatever historicity it might convey, whatever iconic resonance it might evoke, would be (i think) gone, lost, now too shiny, nought but a bright white MS66 orphan.
<< <i>I don't think I will crack it out myself. I damaged too many coins trying to clean them in the past. I ave too many detail coins that I want to let NCS to clean them. So I might send this one in to see if NCS can improve the grade. >>
You might still get a "details" grade after NCS gets done removing the toning if there are signs of an old cleaning under the toning. After the expense of sending it to NCS and getting it reslabbed you may wind up with a white coin but no grade.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>So you think it might be better to leave as it is? It is graded as unc details on the holder now. I don't mind spending the money for NCS to take a look but I don't want them to make it worst such as getting a au details from NGC. If the coin come back from NGC as au details the price of the coin can drop 3 to 4k. >>
Whatever NCS does to it is not likely to change its details grade. The risk is that their dip will remove all or most of the toning, change the coin's appearance, and possibly reveal something underneath that could be detrimental (e.g., hairlines from a cleaning).
Some stains won't come out with a dip and may look worse afterwards. And too strong a dip can impact luster.
If you are unhappy with its appearance then I think it is worth having it examined. Check with Customer Service to see if it is possible to submit it for analysis, and get a phone call before any work is done.
If it were mine I'd probably live with it, or sell and replace it.
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1st - Freind of mine had a 1901-s Barber Half in PC 55, had a light stain(actually not bad) sent to NCS , they ruined it. Looked bleached out and horrible.
2nd - I sent an 1889-cc Morgan in XF-45 for stain removal(stain came from improper storage ) Horrifying results. Bleached it so white it looked like (crap)
They have done some good jobs on some other coin i have seen in the past, but on stains, they seem to be less effective IMO
<< <i>I have seen first hand two coins in which NCS tried to remove a stain. wasnt pretty.
1st - Freind of mine had a 1901-s Barber Half in PC 55, had a light stain(actually not bad) sent to NCS , they ruined it. Looked bleached out and horrible.
2nd - I sent an 1889-cc Morgan in XF-45 for stain removal(stain came from improper storage ) Horrifying results. Bleached it so white it looked like (crap)
They have done some good jobs on some other coin i have seen in the past, but on stains, they seem to be less effective IMO >>
What results were you expecting? Removing stains from any silver coin will result in a white coin. Did you think they would re-tone it to a natural color? When you send coins to NCS you have to be realistic in your expectations. Most collectors of silver Morgan dollars would prefer a white coin over a coin that is stained. Before and after pics would be nice to see if you have them.
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<< <i>Before and after pics would be nice to see if you have them. >>
that would be the more effective approach.