OT Rant --- Post Office wants I.D.

CaptHenway · September 5, 2012 6:54AM

I have held my P.O. Box since 1986. Got a notice in it today along with the bill for the next rent period demanding that I show them two forms of I.D.

Acceptable identification includes:
a. Valid driver's license
b. State non-driver's license
c. Armed forces or government ID
etc.

Question One: Haven't these jamokes ever heard of the Grandfather Clause?

Question Two: What the heck is a "State non-driver's license"?

LindeDad · September 5, 2012 6:56AM

Question One: Haven't these jamokes ever heard of the Grandfather Clause? Does not apply.

Question Two: What the heck is a "State non-driver's license"? ID for a person who cannot qualify for a drivers licence.

OldEastside · September 5, 2012 7:00AM

In California it's just a Stade ID card, available only through
the DMV or another way to rake in a half a billion dollars

Steve

Alot of places out here want Both

PerryHall · September 5, 2012 7:02AM

<< Question Two: What the heck is a "State non-driver's license"? >>

Most, if not all, state Department of Motor Vehicles issue official state identity cards that are similar to a drivers license but are strictly for ID purposes. Since drivers licenses are now the standard photo identification this is a service for those that can't drive or choose not to drive.

relicsncoins · September 5, 2012 7:13AM

I would complain vigorously and go outside and picket. I mean having to show ID means you are likely being disenfranchised and they are attempting to supress your right to fully participate in the P.O. Box process.

JJ

IrishMikey · September 5, 2012 7:18AM

I knew they would catch up with you some day, Tom. Might as well come clean, you durned illegal alien.

Of course, in your case, the alien part concerns your home planet....

CaptHenway · September 5, 2012 7:18AM

THe State I.D. card would be included in c, armed forces or government I.D.

What is a "non-driver's license"?

michiganboy · September 5, 2012 7:23AM

<< THe State I.D. card would be included in c, armed forces or government I.D.

What is a "non-driver's license"? >>

No, it wouldn't government I.D. is federal identification such military, coast guard, or any other branch of federal government that supplies acceptable identification.

CaptHenway · September 5, 2012 7:26AM

<< 

<< THe State I.D. card would be included in c, armed forces or government I.D.

What is a "non-driver's license"? >>

No, it wouldn't government I.D. is federal identification such military, coast guard, or any other branch of federal government that supplies acceptable identification. >>

The State of Michigan is not a government?

AUandAG · September 5, 2012 7:31AM

New owners like new rules.........................Maybe they sold the branch..........

bob

PTVETTER · September 5, 2012 7:31AM

What is a "non-driver's license"?

Maybe it is for driver that just can't drive!!

We all have seen them on the road..... yes?

Justacommeman · September 5, 2012 7:33AM

<< 

<< 

<< THe State I.D. card would be included in c, armed forces or government I.D.

What is a "non-driver's license"? >>

No, it wouldn't government I.D. is federal identification such military, coast guard, or any other branch of federal government that supplies acceptable identification. >>

The State of Michigan is not a government? >>

Depends if it was from the Romney, Milliken. Blanchard, Engler or Granholm administration's

MJ

Overdate · September 5, 2012 7:43AM

You need a non-drivers license to be allowed to not drive.

We can't permit unlicensed non-drivers to use our non-roads, that would lead to anarchy!

blu62vette · September 5, 2012 7:49AM

The state non DL is just a state issued id.

Got the same thing on my PO a while, not a big deal. I doubt they grandfather when it comes to security measures, or lack there of.

jmb · September 5, 2012 7:50AM

Makes perfect sense. You need ID for a po box but not to vote. Bizzaro world we live in.

michiganboy · September 5, 2012 7:52AM

The State of Michigan is not a government? >>

No, it is I'm just saying that is usually what they are referring to for government I.D.
state
P.S. A state non-driver license is really just a regular state I.D. also obtained through the DMV.

braddick · September 5, 2012 8:04AM

<< The state non DL is just a state issued id.

Got the same thing on my PO a while, not a big deal. I doubt they grandfather when it comes to security measures, or lack there of. >>

Agreed.

More worthy goings on in life I'd imagine to get worked up over.

messydesk · September 5, 2012 8:06AM

I wonder if the key to your PO box is an acceptable form of ID.

pennyannie · September 5, 2012 8:20AM

Common sense went out the window years ago, now we have to play by rules like this. LOL

Shamika · September 5, 2012 8:28AM

<< I wonder if the key to your PO box is an acceptable form of ID. >>

Outstanding response!!!

epcjimi1 · September 5, 2012 8:43AM

<< You need a non-drivers license to be allowed to not drive.

We can't permit unlicensed non-drivers to use our non-roads, that would lead to anarchy!

>>

A non-drivers license is a license to be a passenger.

SeattleSlammer · September 5, 2012 8:59AM

Put me in the Really?-A-Thread-For-This? camp.

PerryHall · September 5, 2012 9:02AM

<< Put me in the Really?-A-Thread-For-This? camp. >>

Agree. Considering all the troubles in the world this is a minor irritant and is very trivial.

holdtheline · September 5, 2012 9:30AM

Ya can't get Food Stamps, federal aid, welfare without an ID now they want an iD to pick up a package-what's next, voter ID's? Shame!

windwhispersintrees · September 5, 2012 10:00AM

http://pe.usps.com/archive/html/dmmarchive20090511/508.htm#wp1052479

Regulations relating to PO Box. I believe the regs for a Commercial Mail Receiving Agency are similar (see link above).

4.3.2 Verification
[8-14-08] An application for Post Office box service may not be approved until the applicant's identity and current permanent physical address where he or she resides or conducts business is verified. Customers who apply online for a Post Office box do not receive their box number and keys (or combination number) until verification is complete and the application is approved. Verification criteria are as follows:

a. At the time of application, applicants must present two items of valid identification; one item must contain a photograph of the applicant. Social Security cards or credit cards and birth certificates are unacceptable as identification. The following are acceptable identification:

1. Valid driver's license or state non-driver's identification card.

2. Armed forces, government, university, or recognized corporate identification card.

3. Passport, alien registration card, or certificate of naturalization.

4. Current lease, mortgage, or deed of trust.

5. Voter or vehicle registration card.

6. Home or vehicle insurance policy.

b. The identification presented must be current. It must contain sufficient information to confirm that the applicant is who he or she claims to be and must be traceable to the bearer.

coindeuce · September 5, 2012 10:09AM

D.H.S. must have put their two cents worth in on that revision. If and when you go back to renew the box, demand to see the counter clerk's photo ID as proof that they are an official Postal employee. And then ask for their supervisor, and demand to see their photo ID as well.

mingot · September 5, 2012 10:22AM

I would write them a letter.

Twobitcollector · September 5, 2012 10:23AM

I wonder if they will accept my alien ID card

Lehigh96 · September 5, 2012 10:32AM

I think you should show them a Hawaii ID with the name McLovin on it!

silverpop · September 5, 2012 10:40AM

i'm not seeing a issue with this they have to make sure whoever is suppose to own the P.O.box is that person

michiganboy · September 5, 2012 10:41AM

I don't see why its a problem this is to prevent people from distancing themselves from a physical address while trying to commit fraud such as is prevalent with invent of online shopping. If you have nothing to hide the system is there to protect and prevent people from getting ripped off.

SmallSizedGuy · September 5, 2012 11:05AM

I went through the same issue with my post office. They know me; been a customer there for years. I was told it was due to an amendment to the Patriot Act to ensure individuals with PO Boxes were actually the individuals they were registered to.

nibanny · September 5, 2012 11:39AM

<< Makes perfect sense. You need ID for a po box but not to vote. Bizzaro world we live in. >>

That's what I was thinking!

Anyhow, I just got my first PO box last week. I had to remind to the postal clerk that she needed to see my two IDs.
My two sons apparently don't need IDs. My wife will need them to be added.

SamByrd · September 5, 2012 12:06PM

<< I would complain vigorously and go outside and picket. I mean having to show ID means you are likely being disenfranchised and they are attempting to supress your right to fully participate in the P.O. Box process.

JJ >>

How terrible that they want to confirm an identity of a box holder, picket yes. Next it will banks, airports and rental cars and insurance brokers and quite a few other places that want to confirm identity. Stop this madness now please for all our sake.

pennyannie · September 5, 2012 12:39PM

I made a return to Home Depot a few weeks ago. I spend around 50k a year there, so i seem to be there a few times a week. The return clerk was giving me a hard time cause my drivers liscense had been expired for the last 2 years and did not want to process it. What struck me odd besides not realizing my drivers liscense was expired 2 years was the fact i could charge all the merchandise without a valid id but to return it was a no no. LOL

CEOcoinshopcom · September 5, 2012 2:45PM

If you have the key.... then you are "probably" the box holder.
If they have a uniform, then they are "probably" employees of the Post Office.
I say, if they show two forms of ID, to prove they are the Postal Folks, I'll show you mine.

nickel · September 6, 2012 11:24AM

' Not a minor irritant & very trivial event ???????????
Heck yes it is . If I want to distance myself and receive
right wing literature , or adult pornography , what the
frig should they care as long as i pay my box fee!
Two forms of ID . I have a drivers license .Not in military , I have no military ID .
No passport cause I never left the country . Voters cards don't count .
Social Security card states 'Not valid for ID"
So I might show them my Cocealed Carry ID with photo ,
but that would send them into panic and ask me to leave
the premises . Just another nail in the proverbial coffin of death .

namwalker · September 6, 2012 11:51AM

I went through the same issue when I got my PO box. The post office that I used was on a military reservation protected by federal police and in order to get federal benefits that governmental department that has control over the facility issues a government picture id card based upon other federal documents.

But the really bizarre thing about this is that the local post would not take the id card from this particular government agency but they would take my state DL, insurance card, and voting ID. I think that they were looking for an id with a local address.

When I asked why they wouldn't take the governmental picture id the only answer that I got was "Because that is what I told you I needed!!!"

Yawhol mein frau...............

You will obey or there will be consequences....................

Verstanden sie...............

nickel · September 6, 2012 12:04PM

Ich versthen kleiner bischen ,
Danka und guten abend

notwilight · September 6, 2012 1:51PM

If you could open up an anonymous PO box, then there wouldn't be much risk importing contraband. Your partner mails it to you and if it is intercepted, it can't be traced to you. --Jerry

DavidMerrill · September 6, 2012 2:03PM

<< I have held my P.O. Box since 1986. Got a notice in it today along with the bill for the next rent period demanding that I show them two forms of I.D.

Acceptable identification includes:
a. Valid driver's license
b. State non-driver's license
c. Armed forces or government ID
etc.

Question One: Haven't these jamokes ever heard of the Grandfather Clause?

Question Two: What the heck is a "State non-driver's license"? >>

You have a constructive trust and the new notice is a novation (innovation). You should have refused for cause the novation timely (within 3 days) and immediately made the same traditional payment for six more months on the old box.

It would have been much more convincing had you an evidence repository in place. Read the example clerk instruction carefully. You get the original presentment Refused for Cause back to the presenter with a copy of the clerk instruction and the original clerk instruction to the US clerk with a copy of the R4C for your evidence repository.

Here are some Examples. This suitor ordered the clerk to reinstate his driver license.- successfully!

grote15 · September 6, 2012 2:37PM

Come again??

DavidMerrill · September 6, 2012 2:45PM

<< Come again??

>>

You take the notice that you have to present ID - mark Refusal for Cause across it and return it with a copy of the clerk instruction to the US clerk of Court. You send a copy of the R4C to the clerk of court with the original clerk instruction - Dear Clerk - please file this in my evidence repository case #XXXX..."

Now the presenter, the post office inspector and attorneys know that you have Refused for Cause their presentment timely and you have a record of it in the federal courthouse. You have kept them from making changes to your contract - your constructive trust.

Justacommeman · September 6, 2012 2:45PM

Tom if I saw you in the Post Office I would be checking the walls for reward opportunities

MJ

grote15 · September 6, 2012 2:48PM

<< 

<< Come again??

>>

You take the notice that you have to present ID - mark Refusal for Cause across it and return it with a copy of the clerk instruction to the US clerk of Court. You send a copy of the R4C to the clerk of court with the original clerk instruction - Dear Clerk - please file this in my evidence repository case #XXXX..."

Now the presenter, the post office inspector and attorneys know that you have Refused for Cause their presentment timely and you have a record of it in the federal courthouse. You have kept them from making changes to your contract - your constructive trust. >>

OTOH you could just skip all that and show your ID..

coindeuce · September 6, 2012 2:55PM

"OTOH you could just skip all that and show your ID.."

One small step for socialism, one GIANT leap for...

DavidMerrill · September 6, 2012 2:57PM

<< 

<< 

<< Come again??

>>

You take the notice that you have to present ID - mark Refusal for Cause across it and return it with a copy of the clerk instruction to the US clerk of Court. You send a copy of the R4C to the clerk of court with the original clerk instruction - Dear Clerk - please file this in my evidence repository case #XXXX..."

Now the presenter, the post office inspector and attorneys know that you have Refused for Cause their presentment timely and you have a record of it in the federal courthouse. You have kept them from making changes to your contract - your constructive trust. >>

OTOH you could just skip all that and show your ID.. >>

I guess I kinda presumed the author of the thread has some kind of problem with doing that.

There are a lot of advantages to learning effective Refusal for Cause process.

grote15 · September 6, 2012 3:01PM

<< "OTOH you could just skip all that and show your ID.."

One small step for socialism, one GIANT leap for... >>

It's a leap to equate producing a valid form of ID for using a PO Box with socialism, IMO..

coindeuce · September 6, 2012 3:10PM

"It's a leap to equate producing a valid form of ID for using a PO Box with socialism, IMO.."

I equate socialism with the unintended(?) effects of the Patriot Act (a pronounced reduction of personal liberty). What part of the Patriot Act do you equate with an increase of personal liberty?

grote15 · September 6, 2012 3:18PM

<< "It's a leap to equate producing a valid form of ID for using a PO Box with socialism, IMO.."

I equate socialism with the unintended(?) effects of the Patriot Act (a pronounced reduction of personal liberty). What part of the Patriot Act do you equate with an increase of personal liberty? >>

Maybe I'm just more easygoing--I just don't consider asking for a form of valid ID to rent a PO box a really big deal or an intrusion on my personal liberties...I suppose in that regard I agree with the "Really A Thread for This" group...but carry on!

GrumpyEd · September 6, 2012 4:01PM

I can understand why they want good ID for a PO box. If there's a fraud and something is sent to a PO they need to link it to a person. Although having the box for so long makes it seem silly but if they do it for all PO boxes then I'd be ok with it.

The one issue I see is that it said you need 2 forms of ID and:

Acceptable identification includes:
a. Valid driver's license
b. State non-driver's license
c. Armed forces or government ID etc.

The average person has either A or B and probably not both A + B.
So they need a second piece of government ID. Assuming they weren't in the military that means they need a passport or to show their social security card. I don't know of many other government IDs that the average person has. Some people don't have passports so they're stuck to use social security cards. Social security numbers are something I'd rather not share.

OT Rant --- Post Office wants I.D.

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