What color is this? (Toner lovers take heed)

messydesk

No, it's not a coin, but your answer could reveal issues with viewing coins online.

lcoopie

purple,


I don't know my colors well sadly


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HCumberdale

fushia/purple?

Is this a trick question?

messydesk

<< <i>Is this a trick question? >>


Wait for it...

Coppercolor

The car.... is gold

coinbuf

There are lots of colors in that pic, which one item are you refering to?

MsMorrisine

yellow

messydesk

<< <i>There are lots of colors in that pic, which one item are you refering to? >>


The car and the wall behind the car. So far, all answers have been to the color of the car.

CoinJunkie

Looks orange on my screen.

EDIT: I was referring to the car. The wall is white with red fencing above it.

blu62vette

I see a purple or metallic purple with pearl car, whitish wall with blue above the wall.

Lehigh96

I agree, bright gold car, crimson wall.

Catbert

John - On my monitor, the car is an autumn yellow and the wall is a purple tinted crimson red. How's that for a precise answer?

messydesk

<< <i>John - On my monitor, the car is an autumn yellow and the wall is a purple tinted crimson red. How's that for a precise answer? >>


Not asking for nail polish shades, just guy colors -- red, purple, yellow, blue.

Anyway, whether the car is purple or yellow depends on whether your browser is color managed and faithfully applying the correct color profile. I'm using Chrome, and the car is purple. When I switch to IE, the car is yellow. I started looking into this last night when I noticed a bunch of red cents I posted were rather dull looking in Chrome, then was wondering if I saved the picture wrong. I opened it up in IrfanView and IE, and the colors matched Photoshop. Then I started to wonder how Chrome manages color profiles. Turns out, it doesn't, and there's no option to have it do it correctly. I eventually found this article that has as good of a test as possible for determining if your browser is color managed. I'm also switching to IE when I look at coins online until the Chrome color management is fixed. YMMV depending on browser, browser version, and hardware platform.

MFH

<< <i>fushia/purple?

Is this a trick question? >>



Car is fushia/purple, ok, it's just purple
The wall immediately behind it is white,
Above the wall is Cornflower blue, ok, it's just blue.

Viewing the image via an iPad.

Edited to give a "regular" guy color !!

CoinJunkie

Interesting!

FYI, I read the forum in Firefox. I use Opera for some web sites, and when I opened the thread in that browser,
the car was the aforementioned bright purple.

lablover

Using the Sortable Color Name Chart (see link below) I'd say the car is Orange and the wall FireBrick.

Sortable Color Name Chart

coindeuce

In IE, the Mustang is chrome yellow, with grey shading on side panels. The retaining wall is white, and the fence above it is lined with crimson sheeting.

bigjpst

That is pretty interesting, I use Chrome and the car is purple. I had to check IE, and sure enough the car was gold, which makes more sense because the line on the track show purple on chrome, and yellow in IE. I used to paint motorcycles, and many of the pearl paints would be completely different with slight angle and lighting changes. Not sure how digital cameras actually store/classify the data for images, but do you think it's possible the car is iridescent pearl, and both browsers use or filter the data differently? Or am I totally wrong and my browser is too.

lcoopie

you are right,

I was using chrome purple
firefox yellow
safari yellow

drwstr123

Thank you..much.

stealer

<< <i>you are right,

I was using chrome purple
firefox yellow
safari yellow >>


Thank God, I thought I was going blind when everybody called it purple!

USMoneylover

Wow. When I first viewed this post I was on my Xoom (Tablet) the car was purple as some people were seeing. I just went to my desktop computer and the car is now yellow (which was going with what others were saying also). I thought you had changed the picture until I read your explanation. Very interesting information indeed. Thank you!

dragon

On my monitor I see a purple car, a white wall with off white areas, a dark royal blue with grey areas and lines above, and an ebony black with streaks of purple and grey areas on top.

jom

Wow...Google Chrome does show purple. Firefox an orangish yellow. Weird!

jom

Lehigh96

<< <i>Wow...Google Chrome does show purple. Firefox an orangish yellow. Weird!

jom >>



I am using Google Chrome on a MAC and the car is gold.

robec

<< <i>

<< <i>you are right,

I was using chrome purple
firefox yellow
safari yellow >>


Thank God, I thought I was going blind when everybody called it purple! >>



Me too.

Yellow car and red wall with safari.

determined

Thanks for posting this. I'm glad to see my Firefox does a good job.

It would be interesting to post some colorful toned coins and hear what colors Maxthon, Chrome, or Opera users are seeing. It makes you wonder what colors those users have been seeing on posted coins all along.

EDIT: It appears that Chrome on Mac is color managed and correct but not Chrome on Windows.

Shamika

Pumpkin!

devious

I am on firefox and it shows it as purple. I downloaded the image and loaded it via the windows image viewer, still purple. I went to Internet Explorer, and yet again...still purple. This done from a Samsung laptop. Weird others are getting color changes. I am getting the same color no matter what I load.

Zoins

The issue is that Chrome does not support color management which was identified back on Sept 2, 2008. Here is a description:



<< <i>Although most people will not be aware of the need for colour management, it is in fact crucial. Most cameras and image editing applications embed a colour profile which tells the displaying device how to present it correctly. Images displayed online in web browsers tend to be sRGB with a gamma curve of 2.2. A photographer using a Mac might upload an image which has an embedded profile of Adobe RGB and a gamma of 1.8. In a colour managed browser, this will display correctly regardless of the platform's gamma. In Chrome, it may appear too washed out and contrasty, certainly not as the photographer intended, and not how he sees it on his machine.

I love the Chrome browser (I'm a Mac user with some of my machine's set to 1.8 gamma, some set to 2.2, and some using Snow Leopard's new default 2.2 gamma setting) but until Google implements colour management, I cannot recommend its use for graphics professionals. >>



You can read the formal issue online.



<< <i> Reported by xxyyww@gmail.com, Sep 2, 2008

Product Version : 0.2.149.27 (1583)
URLs (if applicable) :
Other browsers tested:
Add OK or FAIL after other browsers where you have tested this issue:
Safari 3: OK
Firefox 3: OK
IE 7: FAIL

What steps will reproduce the problem?
1. open the attached jpg in the browser

What is the expected result?
The right order starting from 12 o'clock position and in clockwise
direction is red, yellow, green, cyan, blue and purple.

What happens instead?
It shows blue, purple, red, yellow, green, cyan. >>

lkeigwin

Car with Chrome 21.0.1180.77 on my Macbook Air (OS 10.8) is purple. Safari 6.0 is orange. Old(?) Firefox 3.6.13 is orange.

Fence is blue, red, red.

Wall is always white.

Is there something special about the tone of these specific colors? I'll have to read the article, I guess.
Lance.

CoinJunkie

<< <i>Using the Sortable Color Name Chart (see link below) I'd say the car is Orange and the wall FireBrick.

Sortable Color Name Chart >>


Another interesting data point is that the chart shows up correctly in either Firefox or Opera, so at least some
of this is down to the source image. Sorry, while I'm a computer professional, I know basically squat about
image formats.

determined

<< <i>I am on firefox and it shows it as purple. ... >>



Maybe Firefox's color management was somehow turned off? If you want to check:

- open a new tab, in the address box type "about:config" without the quotes, hit enter
- in the address box now type "gfx.color" without the quotes to shorten the list

On the line "gfx.color_management.mode" what number is under Value?

If it's a zero it means color management is disabled. Enable it by double clicking on the line and enter the default value of 2.

If it didn't have a zero there then I don't know what else to try.

Hope that helps.

A page about enabling Firefox color management: HERE

devious

<< <i>
If it didn't have a zero there then I don't know what else to try.

Hope that helps.
>>



Thanks for trying. The value is in fact a 2. I guess I get the purple car no matter what. As I stated, I've opened numerous applications even beyond what I listed, and it still is purple. I guess...in this case, it is meant to stay purple no matter what I do. Thanks for the advice though. :-)

mingot

<< <i>

<< <i>
If it didn't have a zero there then I don't know what else to try.

Hope that helps.
>>



Thanks for trying. The value is in fact a 2. I guess I get the purple car no matter what. As I stated, I've opened numerous applications even beyond what I listed, and it still is purple. I guess...in this case, it is meant to stay purple no matter what I do. Thanks for the advice though. :-) >>



Windows XP?

determined

<< <i>As I stated, I've opened numerous applications even beyond what I listed, and it still is purple. I guess...in this case, it is meant to stay purple no matter what I do. Thanks for the advice though. :-) >>



I'm just guessing but if it happens with all applications then maybe it's your monitor's color management or even your video card. I would try Googling your Samsung laptop model and the terms color management and see if anything turns up as far as settings. That's just a guess tho'.

LindeDad

Dang I went over and looked at it on IE from looking at it first using chrome, now I'm totally confused.

Told you I did not know what to say.

robec

In my Safari browser on my mac, the car is yellow-gold, wall is white and fence is purple.

In my Firefox browser, the car is purple, wall is white and fence above wall is blue.

I also looked at several toners with both browsers and did not see this problem. I figured some yellow toned coin would look purple with the Firefox browser, but no.

I updated Firefox and now both browsers see the car as yellow.

MsMorrisine

<< <i>yellow >>



I lied


on my IE it is purple.

I assumed it was a trick question.

The line on the road was purple.

White, grays, blacks were right.

I figured the color was off. The line should likely be yellow.


The car is yellow on my FireFox.
The car is purple on my Chrome.
I decided to try an old version of Netscape and it is purple.

MsMorrisine

this seems to be a file format vs. browser compatibility issue.

Image as displayed by a compatible browser (should show correctly in all browsers.)


Image as displayed by an incompatible browser (should show incorrectly in all browsers.)

MsMorrisine

<< <i>You can read the formal issue online. >>





Viewing the circular spectrum on that forum with FF/IE/Chrome/even Netscape shows it incorrectly, however selecting "View" above it pulls up the full sized file which displays correctly with FF/IE/Chrome/even Netscape.


Not sure what is going on there.


The race car is a better test than the picture at that link.

messydesk

You're on the right track. The picture of the car has a different color profile saved and specified, with the hue offset by 120° (the correction I need to make in Photoshop to make the yellow car purple or a screenshot of the purple car yellow). Normally, the color profile that is saved is sRGB, and browsers are supposed to take note of this and apply the profile correctly. The crazy profile saved with the car shows plainly which browsers aren't applying the profile that would make the car yellow. These browsers also aren't applying the sRGB profile. The difference isn't as pronounced, but it is noticeable, as sRGB is different from the RGB color space. So while a purple toner won't show up orange if the wrong browser is used, it is likely that some colors are more or less intense or have some variance in hue.

If you want to see the difference that led me down this rabbit hole, take a look at this picture in a "purple car" browser and a "yellow car" browser.

MsMorrisine

so, even with plain jane color coding format there are browsers that are too lazy to handle even that, therefore if you want to ensure the best color display for your pictures.... go with the one that handles the colors from the non-standard one because they will have cared enough to handle both.



how is that?

messydesk

Correct, where by "plain jane" you mean sRGB.

MsMorrisine

hmmmm


my yellow browser (FireFox in this case) shows much more rich reds on those elongated cents than my purple IE.

MsMorrisine

<< <i>so, even with plain jane color coding format there are browsers that are too lazy to handle even that, therefore if you want to ensure the best color display for your pictures.... go with the one that handles the colors from the non-standard one because they will have cared enough to handle both.



how is that? >>




and how does this sit with people that use the search function?

MsMorrisine

So, for the throughly confused....


if you went to go see the car in person, it would be yellow (we hope).


The writer/photographer changed the colors in the file to make the yellow be purple. Then, on top of that, he saved a color profile in the file that shifted it back from purple to yellow.


So, only those browsers and other image viewing software which correctly reads color profiles will display it as yellow, and those that ignore color profiles will show purple.