Your thoughts on this Japanese 5 Ryo Goryoban?

airplanenut

I had someone raise questions of authenticity on this piece, but couldn't give any specifics of what may be wrong. If you have any thoughts, for or against, I'm interested to learn more. The piece weighs in at 112.92g.




Thanks!

Jeremy

sumnom

I can't even begin to tell you how far out of my league this is! I look forward to the commentary of our local experts.

Weiss

Wow. If that's a fake, it's still incredibly beautiful.

CCC2010

Beautiful piece! You might have to bring it to some Japanese artifact expert or something. Be interested to find out the outcome. Pls. keep us updated.

lordmarcovan

It's beautiful.

As far as help with authentication, you can forget about me for sure.

marcmoish

Jeremy that is a cool hunk of change you got there - imagine where it's been and the history behind it.

Personally imho I believe it is genuine - I see no reason to assume otherwise..but you def need series experts here - or tpg feedback.

DeiGratia

Out of my league and expertise.

But I did find an example sold by Ponterio in 2009

Here's the Link GoRyoBan

satootoko

Well, the attribution is definitely wrong. The 1837-43 Tempo Goryoban Kin is shown in the Japanese Numismatic Dealers Assn with a weight of 33.75g, and it isn't inked.,

That said, I think it is probably a genuine piece.

The ripple pattern of the obverse, the calligaraphy of the inking, and the other design elements all match with the 1860-62 Man-en Oban Kin, which has a nominal weight of 112.40g. For the benefit of anyone else with the JNDA catalog, it's on page 83 of the current edition, with an indicated value of 2-million to 3.5-million yen (~$25,500-44,500), and I would place this example near the high end of the range. It's the highest grade I've ever seen outside of a Japanese museum.


Edited to correct valuation typo

Zohar

WOW. That is a great design.

Aethelred

I don't see anything that screams "FAKE" and I do see things that you would expect on a genuine example. But having said that I have see a total of maybe two of these.

I would consult with a known Japanese expert before doing anything with this example.

Aethelred

and by the way....WOW!!!!

3Mark

Jeremy:

FWIW, I have noticed that this type has been pulled from several auctions (Heritage and Goldberg) in the past for questions. I don't know what happened to them.

3Mark

sumnom

What were the questions raised about this piece's authenticity?

Pokermandude

Very nice, indeed. Also well beyond my sphere of knowledge.

I remember watching that one when you listed it, was curious as to what it was worth. I was pretty amazed at the final price, though I guess it was only a little over 3x the melt value.

airplanenut

<< <i>What were the questions raised about this piece's authenticity? >>

The buyer wouldn't say. I was kind of between a rock and a hard place. I have to accept a return if someone thinks something is not authentic and I can't prove otherwise, but when no information is provided, I really have nothing to go on.

santelia

santelia

Try reaching out to Luke Roberts : http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/roberts/index.html. He was nice enough to help me out with a bunch of Japanese charms years ago. It looks real to me, but I have only seen them in catalogs.