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Barry should be glad that he didn't ride a bicycle. How many drug tests did Lance pass for 7 years? France didn't strip him of this titles. We the "USA" did. I guess we don't tolerate success.
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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Lance's head is still 1/10th the size! LOL
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  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Passing tests isn't proof of innocence. Marion Jones never failed a drug test and later admitted she took PEDs. And before she admitted in court, she was as if not more adamant and vocal about her innocence than Armstrong.

    My opinion all along is that it's simply not believable that in a sport (cycling) here PED is so common that someone could dominate the sport clean.

    I remember in a live coverage Tour de France race a couple of years ago a journalist asked an injured cyclist where the first clean racer would finish the race. He said "Perhaps 35th." >>



    This whole thing is even dumber than when people were surprised at baseball players.

    He won on a level playing field. And as far back as I can remember, it was a given that cyclists were using peds. Apparently the guy in 35th may have been clean, but I'm not totally ready to believe even that.
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  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    I don't know much about the details, but it does seem:

    1. If a player passed tests at the time that allowed them to compete, that should be good enough. I mean for all we know, everyone was doing stuff and who really won then? You have to play by the rules at the time and if someone sneaks something by, you fix it ASAP for the next year, etc. but you can't go back and change things IMO.

    2. If LA were a Frenchman I really wonder if they'd be as interesting in investigating him. I really think alot of the whole thing is the French people in cycling not liking the fact that an American won. That's just my opinion.

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  • tunahead08tunahead08 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    2. If LA were a Frenchman I really wonder if they'd be as interesting in investigating him. I really think alot of the whole thing is the French people in cycling not liking the fact that an American won. That's just my opinion.

    >>



    It's not the French going after him, it's the USADA...
  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This Bolt guy from Jamaica winning all his races by a wide margin. What's he on?
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  • NVbaseballNVbaseball Posts: 572
    Armstrong and Bonds both show that the benefits of using drugs outweigh the negatives

    But Ben Johnson showed us that in the 80s
  • NVbaseballNVbaseball Posts: 572
    If Bonds had the personality and lifestyle of Armstrong things would have turned out far different for him. It isn't solely the drugs that caused Bonds to lose so much -- as Lance is showing with how much support he is receiving
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭✭
    Bonds is so rich and leads such a comfortable life that I don't think he cares about any of the other stuff. Alot of these guys just disappear with their millions and lead cushy lives.
  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭
    In the irony of ironies, Bonds is now using cycling as a cover for his diminishing size....he's pretty much back to his early-90's body type now.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    For the record, I'm not ignoring this thread. Due to... um... a misunderstanding on the SC&M boards, it would be best that I refrain from saying anything.

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>In the irony of ironies, Bonds is now using cycling as a cover for his diminishing size. >>



    You think that Barry Bonds thinks he has something left to hide?


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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>In the irony of ironies, Bonds is now using cycling as a cover for his diminishing size....he's pretty much back to his early-90's body type now. >>



    I'm not defending Bonds, just providing a little insight and point of reference.

    During my 'down' times, I typically burn around 2,000k (give or take 100ish) for every 50 miles and average about 150 pbm. It depends on the weather, terrain, who I ride with (burn more when hot, headwind, pulling everyone / less when cooler, tailwind, in a paceline). When I ramp it up, especially when doing back-to-backs, all my numbers increase about 25%.

    According to the really expensive nutritionist a friend forced me to see ( image ), during peak times, I had to eat 4,500k/daily just to maintain my weight.

    Again, I'm DEFINITELY NOT defending Bonds, but, it's difficult to keep weight on when you ride a bike.

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  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭
    <<<Again, I'm DEFINITELY NOT defending Bonds, but, it's difficult to keep weight on when you ride a bike.>>>

    I have no doubt that it is difficult to keep weight on when riding...drc hit on my point - I don't believe Bonds is biking the 50-60 miles a day it takes to burn the calories to shed 60 lbs....IMO, it's a convenient way to disguise the weight loss associated with ramping down from PEDs....
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>IMO, it's a convenient way to disguise the weight loss associated with ramping down from PEDs.... >>



    The dude last played in 2007. He's been looking skinny for a few years now. He's not disguising anything.
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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i><<<Again, I'm DEFINITELY NOT defending Bonds, but, it's difficult to keep weight on when you ride a bike.>>>

    I have no doubt that it is difficult to keep weight on when riding...drc hit on my point - I don't believe Bonds is biking the 50-60 miles a day it takes to burn the calories to shed 60 lbs....IMO, it's a convenient way to disguise the weight loss associated with ramping down from PEDs.... >>



    You make a great point but it wouldn't be 50-60 miles a day, only on the weekends.

    For a real life example, here's a low key ride we did today. Our typical course is closed due to construction, so we did a 'city ride'. Very low average speed and lots of stopping and starting; though that did help keep my HR up. I really don't like riding city streets unsupported, since cars are a tad bigger than me, but without a nearby alternative, it is what it is.

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    So I only did 33 miles, at a *very* slow pace, pulled probably 90% of the time, and still burned 1,600k.

    edited to add: just to reiterate, I'm not defending Bonds or trying to make excuses for his weight loss; only providing real life examples.
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