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Got my packs from BBCE Today

DoublestrikerDoublestriker Posts: 547 ✭✭
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It seems that my 86 Fleer Basketball Pack has nothing in it. Sequencing is not good for me image I didn't open it so it's off to be graded. Good luck everybody! Also my (2) 80-81 packs did not have the Bird/Magic rookie showing.

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  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,745 ✭✭✭
    Based on sequencing, how do you know what the second card is in the pack? This could start a Jordan sequence, correct?

    Glad you received your packs. I'm not at work today, so hopefully my package is waiting on me tomorrow. image


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • DoublestrikerDoublestriker Posts: 547 ✭✭
    Usually but not always for example they will be 66 cards apart.

    Like my my top card is #48 the next should be #18,#47,#17,#46 and so on.
  • stangriderstangrider Posts: 316


    << <i>Usually but not always for example they will be 66 cards apart.

    Like my my top card is #48 the next should be #18,#47,#17,#46 and so on. >>



    Could you explain this in a little more detail? I'm not sure I'm following correctly and have one of the packs coming. If you don't want to post it here please pm me. Thanks!
  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭
    Are you telling me that if I have an unopened pack that has #59 Albert King on the top I am looking good?

    Should I leave unopened or rip?
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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,126 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is why I'd never buy a Fleer pack unless I knew it had never been screened for sequencing.
    https://ebay.com/sch/gemint/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
  • dmurphy3mvpdmurphy3mvp Posts: 264 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Are you telling me that if I have an unopened pack that has #59 Albert King on the top I am looking good?

    Should I leave unopened or rip? >>



    Jimrad, you are looking very good! Call my cell if you want further details.

    Reed Kasaoka
    Buyer, Baseball Card Exchange

    cell: (808) 372-1974
    email: ReedBBCE@gmail.com
    website: www.bbce.com
    eBay stores: bbcexchange, bbcexchange2, bbcexchange3, bbcexchange4

  • dmurphy3mvpdmurphy3mvp Posts: 264 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Usually but not always for example they will be 66 cards apart.

    Like my my top card is #48 the next should be #18,#47,#17,#46 and so on. >>



    Doublestriker, the sequence being 66 cards apart is correct, but your sequence above is not.

    Reed Kasaoka
    Buyer, Baseball Card Exchange

    cell: (808) 372-1974
    email: ReedBBCE@gmail.com
    website: www.bbce.com
    eBay stores: bbcexchange, bbcexchange2, bbcexchange3, bbcexchange4

  • DoublestrikerDoublestriker Posts: 547 ✭✭
    Yeah I wasnt sure about when it goes past zero. P.M your thoughts if the top card is #48
  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭
    Why PM it? It is rather well known about the sequence of these cards.
  • dmurphy3mvpdmurphy3mvp Posts: 264 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why PM it? It is rather well known about the sequence of these cards. >>



    Probably because those who don't know the sequence might still be able to preserve the element of surprise when they open their packs. I for one would hate to ruin someone else's fun.

    Reed Kasaoka
    Buyer, Baseball Card Exchange

    cell: (808) 372-1974
    email: ReedBBCE@gmail.com
    website: www.bbce.com
    eBay stores: bbcexchange, bbcexchange2, bbcexchange3, bbcexchange4

  • NSibianNSibian Posts: 163


    << <i>

    << <i>Are you telling me that if I have an unopened pack that has #59 Albert King on the top I am looking good?

    Should I leave unopened or rip? >>



    Jimrad, you are looking very good! Call my cell if you want further details. >>



    << Usually but not always for example they will be 66 cards apart.

    Like my my top card is #48 the next should be #18,#47,#17,#46 and so on. >>



    Doublestriker, the sequence being 66 cards apart is correct, but your sequence above is not.


    So you work for BBCE and openly acknowledge that you know the sequencing on packs that sell for $350? Not sure that is something I would be telling everyone.
  • MrKnowthanxMrKnowthanx Posts: 322 ✭✭
    Oh God not this again.... image.



    PS... Reed love your posts, I would love if you started a thread about all your adventures image
  • BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reed - I guess you're off forum probation. Good to have you back!
    Daniel
  • mrmint23mrmint23 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Are you telling me that if I have an unopened pack that has #59 Albert King on the top I am looking good?

    Should I leave unopened or rip? >>



    Jimrad, you are looking very good! Call my cell if you want further details. >>



    << Usually but not always for example they will be 66 cards apart.

    Like my my top card is #48 the next should be #18,#47,#17,#46 and so on. >>



    Doublestriker, the sequence being 66 cards apart is correct, but your sequence above is not.


    So you work for BBCE and openly acknowledge that you know the sequencing on packs that sell for $350? Not sure that is something I would be telling everyone. >>



    Obviously an Alt...His comments prove you can trust BBCE with your life...Consistantly Jordan's have been pulled from group rips even though they know the sequence of not only 86 Fleer but a lot of other packs. Even sent out a bird magic rookie showing thru the pack.. Keep up the great work BBCE.
  • cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭
    Glad to see you back Reed.

    Mark
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭
    I trust Reed about as much you can trust anybody in the sports card industry.

    He was real cool at the National and spent hours with us talking about his adventures.

    ** Working on the following sets-2013 Spectra Football Hall of Fame 50th Anniversary Autograph set, 2015 Spectra Football Illustrious Legends Autograph set, 2014-15 Hall of Fame Heroes autograph set. **
  • ToroToro Posts: 1,515
    That's part of how Steve authenitcates an unsearched box....sequencing. Each should have a certain amount of Jordans......
  • JuggsJuggs Posts: 495 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Are you telling me that if I have an unopened pack that has #59 Albert King on the top I am looking good?

    Should I leave unopened or rip? >>



    Jimrad, you are looking very good! Call my cell if you want further details. >>



    << Usually but not always for example they will be 66 cards apart.

    Like my my top card is #48 the next should be #18,#47,#17,#46 and so on. >>



    Doublestriker, the sequence being 66 cards apart is correct, but your sequence above is not.


    So you work for BBCE and openly acknowledge that you know the sequencing on packs that sell for $350? Not sure that is something I would be telling everyone. >>

    I would trust BBCE with my wife.
  • DoublestrikerDoublestriker Posts: 547 ✭✭
    Reed is a great guy. Nothing wrong with them knowing the sequence. They pay a lot of money for those boxes.
  • DoublestrikerDoublestriker Posts: 547 ✭✭
    I guess I shouldn't have responded to an alt..HA
  • Foo3112Foo3112 Posts: 1,961
    I would trust BBCE with my wife.

    Ummm Is this right? lol

    Reed, great to see you posting again. Hopefully no one pays no mind to the troll.
  • RookieWaxRookieWax Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭
    alright....just open the pack now and let's see the Jordan!
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would trust BBCE with my wife. >>



    Be careful, she might come back to you wrapped in plastic. I won't even mention where the business card might be.
  • JuggsJuggs Posts: 495 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I would trust BBCE with my wife. >>



    Be careful, she might come back to you wrapped in plastic. I won't even mention where the business card might be. >>

    As long as she doesn't come back out of sequence, I'm fine with it.
  • dmurphy3mvpdmurphy3mvp Posts: 264 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Are you telling me that if I have an unopened pack that has #59 Albert King on the top I am looking good?

    Should I leave unopened or rip? >>



    Jimrad, you are looking very good! Call my cell if you want further details. >>



    << Usually but not always for example they will be 66 cards apart.

    Like my my top card is #48 the next should be #18,#47,#17,#46 and so on. >>



    Doublestriker, the sequence being 66 cards apart is correct, but your sequence above is not.


    So you work for BBCE and openly acknowledge that you know the sequencing on packs that sell for $350? Not sure that is something I would be telling everyone. >>



    There's no way we'd pay 5 figures for a box unless we could verify the packs were good and all the Jordan runs were intact. You can be sure I personally spent at least an hour inspecting the box you guys broke for this group rip, ensuring there were the appropriate amount of Jordans (and everything else) in the box. If everyone opened their packs (I can dream, can't I?), I will stake my reputation that the box yields at least three Jordans.

    I'm still on probation, but I love 1986/87 Fleer Basketball, and I want to lend my insight on this product.

    Reed Kasaoka
    Buyer, Baseball Card Exchange

    cell: (808) 372-1974
    email: ReedBBCE@gmail.com
    website: www.bbce.com
    eBay stores: bbcexchange, bbcexchange2, bbcexchange3, bbcexchange4

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    I rarely buy unopened product but when I do, I prefer BBCE.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I rarely buy unopened product but when I do, I prefer BBCE. >>



    +1000
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>I rarely buy unopened product but when I do, I prefer BBCE. >>


    Doesn't this guy need to be underneath that quote?????
    image
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • BGSXYMARKBGSXYMARK Posts: 240
    Reed, good to see you back. We appreciate your input. Any insight on the BB and FB packs we did in this rip?

    thanks, Mark
    MARK AGGSON
    Collecting Pete Rose Cello Packs
    Pete Rose Master set ranking #4(Retired)
  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭✭
    +1 to Reed - nice to see you posting.

    I have yet to receive my package, but have two questions on the 86/87 in preparation:

    1. Although the 66 difference will always be present, doesn't the configuration skip somewhere in the pack, i.e. something like starting with 100/34/99/33/98/32 and then jump to something like 69/3/68/2/67/1?

    2. Is the sequencing so specific that you would never see Jordan's base card showing? It's statistically probable, but I'm curious if the collation is specific to having specific base cards showing.

    Thanks!!
    Aaron
  • flatfoot816flatfoot816 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭
    I am gonna weigh in on Reed disclosing the sequence. Of course I have spent many thousands of dollars with BBCE, and both Steve's and Reed's reputation are beyond reproach.

    That is not the issue, IMO.

    The problem is that there are others who read this board who are not as trustworthy, and they have just learned a great deal of info on a very expensive pack. With this info being widely disseminated, do you think that I will be buying an '86/7 Fleer pack in the near future? Uh, no. Unless it comes from a full box from BBCE, I would stay away. And it is not just Reed disseminating the info. There are threads on the board with sequence info that only benefits dishonest people. I have never liked sequence threads, and certainly not one from one of the most trusted sources in the hobby.

    If you feel the need to disclose sequence info, do it in a PM.

    Some info should simply not be shared.
  • Foo3112Foo3112 Posts: 1,961
    Someone else just pulled a Jordan on the "lets see some scans" thread and they said it had the correct sequencing. They posted a nice scan of it as well.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    Sequencing is no secret to the hobby, it's even been printed in magazines in the past. I personally wouldn't vilify Reed for mentioning it on here. Frankly I'm glad they know sequencing and use that knowledge when determining the unopened authenticity of packs and boxes. As for not buying any more 86/87 Fleer packs unless it was from a full box from BBCE, that's pretty much a given. I wouldn't even consider buying a pack like that from anyone else but BBCE. They've proven time and time again that they're legit, due to how many Jordans, Gretzky RCs, and HOF RCs on top of packs that they've sold. They're not going to jeopardize potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales by tampering with a $375 pack.
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,745 ✭✭✭
    My pack was waiting for me when I got to work. Jordan sticker on back and Mychal Thompson on top.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • nendeenendee Posts: 566 ✭✭✭
    How do you see the top card? It's real tough to identify who it is with the dark blue wrapper on the bottom.
    Cubs and Purdue Fan - Ouch!

    My collecting blog: http://ctcard.wordpress.com
  • dmurphy3mvpdmurphy3mvp Posts: 264 ✭✭✭


    << <i>They're not going to jeopardize potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales by tampering with a $375 pack. >>



    This is my favorite statement on the boards.

    Yes, I (on behalf of BBCE) may get vilified for some of the posts I've made here, but if we didn't have solid business principles, I'm almost positives these group rips wouldn't exist. We spend tens of thousands of dollars annually on print advertising (SMR, Beckett, SCD) and get a lot of exposure on the message boards and our Facebook page, but the best form of advertising comes from satisfied customers. We want everyone to get a rookie HOFer in every pack! It's not mathematically possible to pull a big card out of every pack or box that gets cracked, but at least with product that has been inspected by BBCE, you have a fair and honest chance.

    I'll step down from the podium now, and looking forward to seeing what everyone else gets from the break. Have fun and good luck!

    Reed Kasaoka
    Buyer, Baseball Card Exchange

    cell: (808) 372-1974
    email: ReedBBCE@gmail.com
    website: www.bbce.com
    eBay stores: bbcexchange, bbcexchange2, bbcexchange3, bbcexchange4

  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭✭
    Would someone be willing to PM me the answers to my two questions above? I have two packs coming and am interested to know if the sequences are known to skip mid-pack.

    Thanks,
    Aaron
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