Help from all the un-open collectors. Is this Real??
Doublestriker
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Doublestriker
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Doublestriker
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Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Explain the “Christmas rack packs”—where did they come from, are any of them legitimate and what’s usually inside?
Another tough subject! These Christmas racks were not produced by Topps. That is first and foremost. All of these Christmas racks are not issued by Topps in any way in any type of Topps closeout. They have been produced by a third party and then retailed in stores. Most likely in dime stores around the country in the 60’s and 70’s.
The cards are usually in EX to EX-MT condition at best. That leads me to believe that Topps did not even supply the cards for these! Had Topps supplied the cards, they would still most likely have been a little bit cleaner and sharper than the cards that are in these packs. I also see Christmas racks now that are being produced today.
Most advanced pack collectors will tell you that these packs are not legitimate items since Topps didn’t produce them. I will never authenticate one as being real for this same reason.
However--this is not to say that the racks have no value. The cards in the packs are still legitimate Topps cards. I have seen many racks with many major stars right on top. If a Christmas rack has a Sandy Koufax RC showing on top in EX-MT condition, well then, it still obviously is worth whatever that card is worth to you! A 1962 Topps Christmas rack may have zero value as a legit, Topps issued unopened rack pack, but still holds some value for the cards it is holding within.
Hope this helps a little. I sure wouldn't buy one. Be prepared for getting the cards you see and bank on six commons in EX condition in the middle.
Scott
1975 Topps Registry Set "Scott's 75 Topps Set"
BTW, hi Dustin.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Hey Mike! Hope you are doing well. It blows my mind that ebay lets these auctions continue. And bidders still fall for it. >>
Busy at work, but otherwise doing well. eBay has no interest in stopping it, but the bidders just don't know any better. That is why boards like this are a great resource.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>It's as real as Santa Claus. >>
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>Bogus. And the story sounds a lot like the guy that is selling his uncles stuff. >>
+1
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
you guys are card collectors ... right?
Thats all that matters....the cards, unless you like to collect 40+ years old cellophane and multi color christmas theme hanger tags too ...
add up the number of cards and multiply it by the average value of a common card from that year, then bid accordingly.... These X-Mas Rack Pack posts are so funny, Ive seen and posted on at least a couple dozen posts exactly like this over the years, and will always say the same thing... buy the cards not the holder/slab/wrapper
these are and always have been aftermarket 3rd party packs containing non-contemporary used baseball cards! I bought/received these same X-Mas Rack Packs as a kid, and Im 46 years old.... go figure that one out...
The answer to that, IMO, is no. Xmas rack packs are not legitimate, factory (Topps in this case) issues.
They are worth the sum of whatever cards are visible are worth, and nothing more.
There is a legitimate collectable value of legit packs, uncut sheets, etc. based on the scarcity of those items, but these are no more than grab bags with a few parts visible. They have been touted to the unsuspecting for years as legit issues but they simply aren't.
Buy them for the cards contained that you can see, but don't delude yourself that they are worth any more than the sum of their parts, and take into account that the parts you can't see are worthless.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>Frank, there is no doubt the cards inside are real, but the question is whether they are worth the premium that unopened packs command.
The answer to that, IMO, is no. Xmas rack packs are not legitimate, factory (Topps in this case) issues.
They are worth the sum of whatever cards are visible are worth, and nothing more.
There is a legitimate collectable value of legit packs, uncut sheets, etc. based on the scarcity of those items, but these are no more than grab bags with a few parts visible. They have been touted to the unsuspecting for years as legit issues but they simply aren't.
Buy them for the cards contained that you can see, but don't delude yourself that they are worth any more than the sum of their parts, and take into account that the parts you can't see are worthless. >>
Anthony is 100% correct. If these "Christmas" or "Holiday" racks were realizing the sum of their parts, I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. But as Anthony
pointed out, there are many collectors who don't realize that these racks are not Topps issued product and who are paying a price far in excess of the value of the sum of
the parts. Also, there has been a glut of these racks popping up in recent years for all kinds of ridiculous years which were obviously just made within the last few years
as you'd never see any of these racks with 70s cards inside until the past 1-2 years.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.