Why did PSA remove PSA/DNA Certified from POP report?

BPorter26

I went to look up some of my auto cards on the POP report and the PSA/DNA certified is no longer there. Anyone know the reason why PSA would remove this?

wrestlingcardking

I do not like this either......

DavidPuddy

I was just told by customer service that they NO LONGER USE A SEPARATE LINE FOR PSA/DNA RED FLIP ITEMS. PSA/DNA Red Flip items are now included with the regular cards.

This is a terrible decision on their part! WOW.

Edited for spelling.

leathtech

<< <i>I was just told my customer service that they NO LONGER USE A SEPARATE LINE FOR PSA/DNA RED FLIP ITEMS. PSA/DNA Red Flip items are now included with the regular cards.

This is a terrible decision on their part! WOW. >>



DP - thanks for calling on this... we need to request PSA changes this back - very poor idea on their part!

wrestlingcardking

All my Pop 1 signed cards just took a dive......thanks PSA! I cannot prove they are the best known signed copy.....

DavidPuddy

There will be a bunch of collectors (especially on these boards) that will be furious about this. I only own 25+ Red Flip autos, but some people here have entire collections that consist of high grade signed rookies.

I think we need to make our voices heard on this issue.

jeffcbay

Wow, if this is true then it's very dumb on PSA's part.

hammered

I agree w PSA's move to take them out of the graded pop reports because it is not the same type of service. Never made sense to me to combine the services into one list.
I do think red auto flips should have their own section in the pop reports.

Yankees001

If you check your inventory list it does have the correct POP reports their. My 1986 Fleer Schmidt PSA/DNA 6.5 with a POP 1, 0 higher.

Dave

TonyC

In an ideal world, PSA would do the same thing as BGS/JSA (dare I say that?) and just grade the card AND the autograph, under the same service/system as just grading a card, and have that be the end of it.

The nonsense between the red flip and the blue flip (for trading cards) has always seemed more confusing to me than beneficial to separate the card grading and the autograph grading.

DavidPuddy

<< <i>I do think red auto flips should have their own section in the pop reports. >>



Totally agree with Hammered. But, I was told that everything has been combined into one line. This I hate.

Dave,
I don't see what you are seeing.

Here's what I get in "My inventory for a couple of Dale Murphy Rookies.
Card# Card Grade POP POP Higher
476 1977 TOPPS 476 ROOKIE CATCHERS 6 132 1408
476 1977 TOPPS 476 ROOKIE CATCHERS 6 132 1408

wrestlingcardking

Dave I went into my inventory and I am not seeing what you are seeing.......I see the same as my set registry.

epatmythes

Horrible, horrible, horrible idea on the part of PSA... and the complete void of this information being made public before the change happened... just continues to add to the stench of poor management that has been displayed by PSA over the past year. I will certainly be drafting my complaint and emailing such to Joe Orlando before the weekend is through... I'd recommend everyone else, disturbed by this decision, do the same!

JOrlando@collectors.com

Yankees001

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<< <i>I do think red auto flips should have their own section in the pop reports. >>



Totally agree with Hammered. But, I was told that everything has been combined into one line. This I hate.

Dave,
I don't see what you are seeing.

Here's what I get in "My inventory for a couple of Dale Murphy Rookies.
Card# Card Grade POP POP Higher
476 1977 TOPPS 476 ROOKIE CATCHERS 6 132 1408
476 1977 TOPPS 476 ROOKIE CATCHERS 6 132 1408 >>



I'm not sure how to take a snap shot of the desk top of what I see.

My PSA (NOT PSA/DNA) Registory list this in the MY INVENTORY:

CERT#19871365
SPEC # 01038645
1986 Fleer #450 Mike Schmidt
GRADE: 6.5
POP 1
HIGHER: 0

I only have PSA/DNA in my inventory. I sold off all my unsigned cards. The Schmidt is not listed as:
1986 Fleer #450 Mike Schmidt PSA/DNA

Unless a PSA6.5 is the highest ever graded of a 1986 Fleer card.

I'll post a snap shot of my screen, if someone can give me step by step directions on how it's done.

But, I do still have the POP Report in MY INVENTORY.

Dave

BPorter26

The question I have, what is the incentive to get Red Flips graded/authenticated now? I had a POP 1 1973 Topps Jack Ham auto now it's just blended in with the rest of the regular '73's. This was a awful decision on PSA's part. This could kill the auto prices!!

Jmhockey23

Yeah, that is ridiculous..They aren't anywhere near the same if a card is signed verses not..Seems like a convenience move. Maybe it was more trouble for them to manage. Still a horrible idea. The PSA/DNA red flip pop was probably the most accurate of all of the pop report. I don't think people are cracking and resubbing those with the minimum fee being $25 or $15 for the special...

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I'll post a snap shot of my screen, if someone can give me step by step directions on how it's done.



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I'll post a snap shot of my screen, if someone can give me step by step directions on how it's done.



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Problem with step one

TNP777

linky no worky

Yankees001

Here is a copy of my page (minus image)

All are autographed.



Dave

thenavarro

The old pop reports on the red flipped PSA/DNA autographed cards were not correct anyways. PSA did not separate the autographed cards from the unautographed cards in their database until only a few years ago. Thus, many people that believed they held pop 1's and highest graded, actually did not, because when PSA began to separate the two on the reports, they did not make a retroactive adjustment for all those that had been graded to date I've got some in my own collection that weren't listed in the pop reports when I checked it a couple years back

I, too, would like to see separate delineation in the pop reports, but only if it is relatively correct, otherwise it just leads to people wanting to charge me false premiums for a card they believe is the top graded, when in actuality it is not


Mike

dtkk49a

I think they removed it because a lot of people thought they had POP 1 cards when in fact they were not.

epatmythes

It seems to have affected "many" cards, but not all. I don't do much with collecting Red Flip auto'ed cards... but I was about to start doing just that (well, at least more so than previously). Most of my red flip focus was on tickets... those don't appear to be affected (at least not yet), but I assume that's because you don't really tie a player to an event (IE. You could have any one of 60+ players, coaches, etc. sign a World Series ticket). However, I did participate in jswieton's last group sub and got a nice little stack of red flip's graded... thus prompting me to start a "Pro Football Hall of Fame Rookie Players/Coaches/Admin Autographs" registry set.

Starting small with only 4 cards in there (and planned to get a few more cards signed at a show this weekend), and 3 of the 4 have been merged. Oddly enough, my Ronnie Lott signed RC still shows a PSA 7, pop 2, with 3 higher. Then again, my Roger Wehrli looked a lot cooler when it said PSA 8, pop 1, none higher... instead of the now PSA 8, pop 80, 10 higher that it shows now.

I was not aware that they only started making the designation a few years back... and I would agree that if they were to do the differentiation, it should be reasonably accurate. However, at the same time... with no differentation, I'm also not so sure I really care to get into autographed collecting via the "red flip" route... hard to see a really good point (long term valuewise) in doing so.

Clearly, the differentation capability must still exist in the PSA back end data systems... othewise, how on earth do they know for certain that the card I'm adding to my Autograph Registry sets is really autographed or not? Yes, that's rhetorical... of course they know! So, why not just keep the differentation in play... at least in my opinion, that would do much more positive for the hobby, than it could ever possibly harm it... and since the data is there, it can't be that difficult (at least, no more difficult than the time & resources they've poured into technical efforts like PSACardFacts, PSABatFacts, etc.)

jradke4

their IT staff sucks. my ProFootball HOF auto'd card set went from 95% to 24% overnight. why, because they did some type of upgrade/maintanace. well you could have fooled me. i have emailed about this and was told they would check into it. emailed again the other day as nothing had been done. only to be told that because of the national nothing was even looked at. they take their IT staff to the national?

Ullr

Wow just checked my sets after reading this. I've gone from 50% complete on both the Baseball and Football HOF auto sets to 3.24% in the baseball set and 15.38 for the Football set. I now have 229 cards in my inventory that don't match my sets. Funny they were all in those two sets last time I checked.
Now when I try to put them back I get a red box stating The spec you requested to add does not match the composite. Probably because the database does not recognize the card as being autographed. Thanks PSA.

Nascar360

I had a few items and sets go missing two weeks ago so I contacted the Set folks. They had it fixed in a day or two. I guess I should have mentioned it on the boards but I am usually the last to know about his stuff.

So on the topic of Red Flips. Is this a play by PSA to get Red flip folks moved over to the PSADNA registry? I get my card autos (pre 98) and on card graded with the Blue flip for the PSADNA set registry.

jradke4

<< <i>I had a few items and sets go missing two weeks ago so I contacted the Set folks. They had it fixed in a day or two. I guess I should have mentioned it on the boards but I am usually the last to know about his stuff.

So on the topic of Red Flips. Is this a play by PSA to get Red flip folks moved over to the PSADNA registry? I get my card autos (pre 98) and on card graded with the Blue flip for the PSADNA set registry. >>



So you think they want us to move. There are sets right now that are weighted on the card grade not on the auto grade because PSA won't grade both the auto and the card. We have already paid $10-20 per auto'd card for that set. Now you think they want to force us to send the cards back so that they remove the card grade and grade the auto? If that is what they want they should offer to do it for free. I would note drop another dime on my cards that were already done. Joe O would have a lot of explaining to do with me to convince me to continue submitting it PSA in the future if that was his goals. I am not a dealer but I have submitted over 300 tickets, close to 300 cards for red flip PSA/DNA and thousands of regular cards.

Dboneesq

<< <i>I had a few items and sets go missing two weeks ago so I contacted the Set folks. They had it fixed in a day or two. I guess I should have mentioned it on the boards but I am usually the last to know about his stuff.

So on the topic of Red Flips. Is this a play by PSA to get Red flip folks moved over to the PSADNA registry? I get my card autos (pre 98) and on card graded with the Blue flip for the PSADNA set registry. >>