CCW in the B&M?
DrBuster
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Anybody licensed and carry when they go in to the lcs?
I've been meaning to ask my guy how he feels on it. I'm sure he's packing, just haven't brought the subject up if he cared if I had mine under my shirt or open on my hip. The business he shares space with (barberhop) has a lock on all the sherrif and local cop haircuts, so there's lots of weapons around in general.
Flipside, any dealers have thoughts on this? No weapons signs posted? Don't ask don't tell??
I've been meaning to ask my guy how he feels on it. I'm sure he's packing, just haven't brought the subject up if he cared if I had mine under my shirt or open on my hip. The business he shares space with (barberhop) has a lock on all the sherrif and local cop haircuts, so there's lots of weapons around in general.
Flipside, any dealers have thoughts on this? No weapons signs posted? Don't ask don't tell??
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<< <i>I incourage my customers to wear a gun in my store, open or concealed... >>
I loved it in Arizona when we lived there you could be turning down the next isle of your local grocery store and here is someone packing a 45 colt, happend real often.
Make MY day!
My coin shop has a uniformed, armed guard just inside the door. I've often wondered if there is some kind of secret handshake or sign that I can give him to let him know I'm carrying as opposed to just lifting my shirt and showing him that I'm in the store and I'm carrying and freaking everyone out. What is the best way to let other armed folk know that you have some too?
To buy a 22 pistol you have to apply for a special permit for each hand gun, going through a lot of checks, and in some locals, some hinderance. Even a BB handgun needs a permit, and I'd need my firearms ID card to buy a pellet rifle. Plus the instant $15 charge for an immeditate police check. You need to show your license just to buy ammo.
So, forget about carrying of any sort in a B&M. All you can do went assaulted is yell loudly, please stop. You litterally have to be shot first to litterally defend yourself. Doesn't feel like the constitution applies round here.
Sherrif says, check your guns before coming into town boys...
One of the reasons why I'll be moving west in a few years.
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My coin shop has a uniformed, armed guard just inside the door. I've often wondered if there is some kind of secret handshake or sign that I can give him to let him know I'm carrying as opposed to just lifting my shirt and showing him that I'm in the store and I'm carrying and freaking everyone out. What is the best way to let other armed folk know that you have some too? >>
If your coin shop already has security, why not just leave your piece in your vehicle. Discuss it face to face sometime when you aren't armed and see what he says.
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<< <i>This begs the follow-up question...
My coin shop has a uniformed, armed guard just inside the door. I've often wondered if there is some kind of secret handshake or sign that I can give him to let him know I'm carrying as opposed to just lifting my shirt and showing him that I'm in the store and I'm carrying and freaking everyone out. What is the best way to let other armed folk know that you have some too? >>
If your coin shop already has security, why not just leave your piece in your vehicle. Discuss it face to face sometime when you aren't armed and see what he says. >>
My B&M coin shop has a clock on the wall. Perhaps I should leave my watch in my car.
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<< <i>This begs the follow-up question...
My coin shop has a uniformed, armed guard just inside the door. I've often wondered if there is some kind of secret handshake or sign that I can give him to let him know I'm carrying as opposed to just lifting my shirt and showing him that I'm in the store and I'm carrying and freaking everyone out. What is the best way to let other armed folk know that you have some too? >>
If your coin shop already has security, why not just leave your piece in your vehicle. Discuss it face to face sometime when you aren't armed and see what he says. >>
My B&M coin shop has a clock on the wall. Perhaps I should leave my watch in my car. >>
It would seem that one would either want to be unarmed or find some way to let the SG know that you are carrying and are one of the good guys OR say nothing and hope no "situation" comes up.
<< <i>This begs the follow-up question...
My coin shop has a uniformed, armed guard just inside the door. I've often wondered if there is some kind of secret handshake or sign that I can give him to let him know I'm carrying as opposed to just lifting my shirt and showing him that I'm in the store and I'm carrying and freaking everyone out. What is the best way to let other armed folk know that you have some too? >>
Isn't the uniform 'packin heat' super secret dealio making the gun sign with your hand and tapping your fingers to your nose. Ha.
<< <i>This begs the follow-up question...
My coin shop has a uniformed, armed guard just inside the door. I've often wondered if there is some kind of secret handshake or sign that I can give him to let him know I'm carrying as opposed to just lifting my shirt and showing him that I'm in the store and I'm carrying and freaking everyone out. What is the best way to let other armed folk know that you have some too? >>
This>>> "If it's legal to wear it and the shop doesn't have a sign that says not to wear it inside, it's really nobody's business."
Another way to handle it if you really feel uncomfortable is to leave your sidearm in the car, go in and pull the security guard aside, show them your concealed carry permit, and tell them you usually lawfully carry a firearm. Then either go get it and walk back in or do as the shop owner/security guard wishes. They have the right to ask you to leave if they know you're carrying. It's your right to carry even if they have a sign up, all they can do is ask you to leave.
I carry everyday, everywhere where it's lawful to have it on one's person. I just don't tell anyone that I carry, ever. It's best to just get a GOOD concealed carry holster that doesn't print and keep your mouth shut.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
If you do the don't ask don't tell thing, and one day the owner sees it sticking out of the back of your shirt, he may take offense to that and would've wanted to know why you did not let him know about it. I could see how a business owner could be incredibily offended by that. After all, you are in the U.S. and it is your right to carry if permitted, but you are in HIS STORE, and I'm sure he would want to know what you are bringing in HIS STORE. jmho.
For the record. I currently don't carry and don't see a need to. When I feel a need to, I may reconsider.
Just don't go too far west, I've heard California is just as bad.
It's all about what the people want...
some of my customers carry, but always inform us that they are. I figure the ones that tell you they are armed are not the ones you have to worry about!
Here's why I am not a fan and I offer it to you all only as food for thought.
What would you do if your attacker was able to get your weapon(s) from you and use them on you and your family?
If the weapons were not there in the first place, or of the attacker was the only one to have a weapon, it is my opinion that your chances of surviving are greater.
Everything else that the attacker can take is replaceable, except for your life and the lives of any of your family. I look at it as an "odds" thing. The less things around you that can kill you stands a better chance of your survival.
And if you are like me and unafraid to die and part from this life because I have a personal relationship with Him, you can have more money for silver & coins rather than who's lurking around the corner lol. If you don't like the company that is around you because you feel they present a danger, you have a choice that alot of people seem to forget they (in almost all cases) have. Leave.
Put your pride aside and leave.
As far as defending yourself, there are scores of ways one can protect themself and their family without having to resort to carrying a firearm. I wont waste any more of your time in listing them. Use your imagination.
<< <i>I am obviously not a fan of weapons as some of you may have gathered from my past posts on the subject. Please don't hate me for that, I'm just telling a different side having experienced tragedy as a result of a firearm.
Here's why I am not a fan and I offer it to you all only as food for thought.
What would you do if your attacker was able to get your weapon(s) from you and use them on you and your family?
If the weapons were not there in the first place, or of the attacker was the only one to have a weapon, it is my opinion that your chances of surviving are greater.
Everything else that the attacker can take is replaceable, except for your life and the lives of any of your family. I look at it as an "odds" thing. The less things around you that can kill you stands a better chance of your survival.
And if you are like me and unafraid to die and part from this life because I have a personal relationship with Him, you can have more money for silver & coins rather than who's lurking around the corner lol. If you don't like the company that is around you because you feel they present a danger, you have a choice that alot of people seem to forget they (in almost all cases) have. Leave.
Put your pride aside and leave.
As far as defending yourself, there are scores of ways one can protect themself and their family without having to resort to carrying a firearm. I wont waste any more of your time in listing them. Use your imagination.
You make some valid points and I can respect your position.
I choose to have a CCW and carry only once in awhile when the conditions justify it.
If a person takes the course then continues practicing shooting a weapon can be a great tool to stave off disaster, however if children are present you must always take precautions by locking up your weapon preferably in a gun safe next to your bed.
I want the right to bear arms never to be taken from me by the government.
I will trust the founding fathers of this nation who wrote the 2nd ammendment into the constitution over the politicians of today catering to special interest groups.
view, never concealed. I carry it exposed because it's there to be seen. I want someone to think
twice and when they see it in plain view, they know what would happen. I have been stopped exactly
once by a policeman when I was walking. We chatted for a bit and I went on my way.
As for pieceofme's comment, I think he should never carry or own a weapon for self defense. Just like
anything else you need to be competent and able to use your firearm. If you lack the competence or
the guts to actually use it you should never even own one. Just owning a sidearm is easy. But, you have
to be 100% confident in it's use and know when you should use it and when you should not use it.
Personally I'm extremely comfortable with wearing one. I enjoy shooting for fun and practice every week.
I also travel to peoples homes to buy coins. I go into parts of towns that I normally would never, never
be comfortable going into without my sidearm. There are a couple of parts of town that are gang controlled
and just not a place an old man, like me, should be after dark.
Oh, I've comleted the NRA concealed weapons three day class and have military training (many decades
ago). I used to hunt big game and competed in fast draw contests (also decades ago).
Oh, my local B&M has never mentioned a thing to me when I go in. They don't have a guard and just buzz
you in if they want. I have never seen a gun in their shop.
I must mention that I live in Nevada and it's perfectly legal to carry out in the open (not concealed). If you
want to conceal it you have to get the permit. I carry a "blue card" that shows it's registered with the city.
I do have it next to my driver's license in my wallet so as to hand it to any cop that would pull me over. This
is for his and MY protection.
Oh, off to Bass Pro Shop this morning to buy a new 9mm with lasermax (pocket size). If I like it I might just
get a CCW to hide this little baby!
bob
I just love it when people read things into what was said that are clearly not there. Where did I say that I am incompetent in carrying and using a firearm? LOL
I have firearms, I just have yet to feel the need to ever carry it outside of my house for protection. I take them to practice, but have never felt the need to wear it openly or coceal it anywhere, yes anywhere. I target practice monthly and am very familiar in how and when to use it. And more importantly, when not to use it.
I also know enough martial arts to defend myself, I don't shoot my mouth off and don't "attract" the kind of trouble that could cause me to have to carry a firearm.
I'm the guy sitting at the end of the bar, with friends, sometimes without...watching. I think being alert to your surroundings is a key thing in the way I feel about not having to carry.
If someone comes up to me wanting to give trouble for no reason, the first thing I always will do is ask them if they really want to escalate the situation, with a smile on my face. If they decide to take it further, either way I am ready as stated in my previous post. I also know when to back down, and am not ashamed or embarassed to say that, and I think if you are honest with yourself, you know when to also.
So, some of the carry discussions are so far away from my usual, I can't relate. Seems if you carry usually into other business, and thats what folks do in that area, then its ok for a B&M. If its unusual to a point of it being questioned, then can't hurt to mention it. In New Jersey if you walked in and was spotted carrying, you'd likely have one in your face shortly, with the po-lice on the way.
Overall, I support the "right to bear arms" no matter what, because we really need that to keep us free, relatively.
Even though that freedom is tightening up, we need to keep our arms for the same 'show' reason. Remember in a national emergency or martial law, you and I are considered the enemy, where the elite and goverment are the protected ones.... Don't think I like that.
So, we sit here on this hot muggy saturday afternoon, looking at homes and property in W.V. I want a place where I can go target shooting out in or from my backyard area.
"If you lack the competence or the guts to actually use it you should never even own one."
You might be competent but that is only half of my statement.
Does not matter that you can shoot targets or practice. You have to be WILLING to take
another life in defense of your own or somebody else.
It's your choice. It sounds like you would not or could not pull the trigger, or you would not
have made the comment of somebody taking your gun from you.
Sell your guns and just stick to your Judo or whatever.
bob
Chocolate / Vanilla / Strawberry.
Freeway or side roads.
Pack a lunch or buy.
We make many choices each and every day. If it ever comes down to a situation where my ffamily and/or I am threatened, I would rather have protection and choose not to use it, than have no choice in the matter.
Obviously I am being sarcastic and I hope that you hardcore gun folks can see the point without me having to spell it out for youse. Do what you will as long as you are legal about it is what I say. It's just my personal preference to not feel so paranoid, I guess it's my Faith that helps me thru that.
another life in defense of your own or somebody else.
It's your choice. It sounds like you would not or could not pull the trigger, or you would not
have made the comment of somebody taking your gun from you>>>
I forgot to add this to my previous post.
I would be careful when talking about guns and the over willingness you have to openly say how you would have no trouble taking a life with a firearm on the internet Bob. If you think the PCGS Mods are the only ones monitoring such talk, on the internet, I'm sorry, but I would have to call you naive.
Go ahead, you can call me the paranoid one now.
<< <i>We make many choices each and every day. If it ever comes down to a situation where my family and/or I am threatened, I would rather have protection and choose not to use it, than have no choice in the matter. >>
These two sentences sum it up real nicely concerning the main reason I carry. I'm not looking to use it......ever, but I just want it available if I need it.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
Criminals are spineless little weasels who want nothing to do with a law abiding citizen who carries.
My dad who was a sniper for Uncle Sam in WWII and a sheriff later on in life used to have a favorite line as he was unbuttoning his holster..." We can do this the easy way or the hard way, the choice is yours-what'll it be"
I always wondered if I would be willing to shoot (god for bid it should ever come down that) , but after being robbed and nearly killed two years ago. I wouldnt hesitate in the slightest, in fact I practice drawing from the holster all the time. And to be honest, if a gun was pulled on me, I beleive I would still draw and shoot to kill even risking being hit. I despise thugs!, and feel they deserve anything they recieve if trying to inflict harm on anyone else.
as far as the time I was robbed two years ago, I was by myself, with no additional help and no security measures in place. I did have a gun, but it was under the counter, was caught of guard by two individuals at the door. It was probably good that I did not have the weapon close by at the time, or I would not be here today. I would not have had a chance. Now we have security measures in place ,and min of two armed persons in store at all time, and yes we profile. anyone coming up to the door, we give a heads up to one another in the store.
In fact last monday, two guys pulled up in a dodge, came in with about three junk world coins, they looked suspicious and were looking around, we stated we dont take those and remained vigilant, they left. this past sat, the same two guys in the same car robbed a wendys resturant across town. i figured they were casing us out, but saw the guns, and buzzed door and cameras, and had second thoughts. I hate that the other place got robbed, but at least they passed on us, but luckily they were apprehended shortly afterwards. One of them had oustanding warrants for other robberies.
Well, like someone here cold heartedly told me awhile back, Get out of the business if you can't take what comes along with having one. Not being a jerk, just showing how assinine the comment is...that was originally said to me.