Thoughts on SGC Grading
Doublestriker
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Ok guys i am considering purchasing an expensive vintage card at the national. I have to admit i am new to SGC grading. The card is a 88 and 8 grade. How does this match up with PSA? Would it crossover well with PSA? Would love to hear everybody's thoughts.
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Jeff
<< <i>I'd send in as a crossover with a minimum grade of PSA 8 first - and if that doesn't work (and you're certain it's worthy of a PSA 8), crack it out and sub it raw. >>
Bad advice. He's at the National and PSA is there offering onsite grading with a 2 hour turnaround time.
Doublestriker, tell the dealer that you will pay for the 2 hour turnaround PSA onsite grading and that you will buy the card if and only if the SGC 88 crosses to a PSA 8. If the dealer isn't interested then walk away.
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<< <i>I'd send in as a crossover with a minimum grade of PSA 8 first - and if that doesn't work (and you're certain it's worthy of a PSA 8), crack it out and sub it raw. >>
Bad advice. He's at the National and PSA is there offering onsite grading with a 2 hour turnaround time.
Doublestriker, tell the dealer that you will pay for the 2 hour turnaround PSA onsite grading and that you will buy the card if and only if the SGC 88 crosses to a PSA 8. If the dealer isn't interested then walk away. >>
Agreed, great idea. But I doubt the dealer will consider this
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Agreed, great idea. But I doubt the dealer will consider this >>
it's a great idea, and why wouldn't the dealer do this? he's not losing anything, besides a potential sale.
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Agreed, great idea. But I doubt the dealer will consider this >>
it's a great idea, and why wouldn't the dealer do this? he's not losing anything, besides a potential sale. >>
Im thinking he doesnt want the card away from his table for 2 hours and if it doesnt cross he not selling the card anyways. idk maybe Im wrong
<< <i>Ok guys i am considering purchasing an expensive vintage card at the national. I have to admit i am new to SGC grading. The card is a 88 and 8 grade. How does this match up with PSA? Would it crossover well with PSA? Would love to hear everybody's thoughts. >>
Depends on centering. SGC isn't bothered by this. I've seen SGC 86's that would be no better than a PSA 6, due to bad centering.
<< <i>If it could be in a PSA holder at the same grade then it would already be >>
This is not necessarily true. The card may have been graded before the original owner knew about PSA. The original owner may not have liked PSA. PSA may have given a low grade and they flipped to SGC.
As for the idea of the dealer letting the person get the card graded, it's not a bad idea. I would probably ask for a deposit of 150% of the cost of the card (in case the buyer decided to disappear).
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<< <i>Ok guys i am considering purchasing an expensive vintage card at the national. I have to admit i am new to SGC grading. The card is a 88 and 8 grade. How does this match up with PSA? Would it crossover well with PSA? Would love to hear everybody's thoughts. >>
If it could be in a PSA holder at the same grade then it would already be. >>
You may find it hard to believe but there are a lot of collectors that do not like PSA especially when it comes to vintage. There is a reason SGC is still in business.
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You may find it hard to believe but there are a lot of collectors that do not like PSA especially when it comes to vintage. There is a reason SGC is still in business. >>
But for how much longer? No matter how nice those cards looks in Black when collectors sell they want to see Green. I just picked up a 54 Topps Howe SGC 7 NM and a 66 Topps Howe SGC 8 for less than what either of those cards sell for in a PSA holder with the same grade by themselves.
That said, SGC is a reputable grading company as well, and I would not assume that any card in a SGC holder is in there because it
didn't get a particular grade from PSA. For vintage baseball (pre-war), SGC is actually the grading company of choice for a lot of collectors.
I do think that SGC is more lax on centering issues, as pclpads alluded to.
Buy the card, not the holder.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
No reason to get it into a PSA holder. Both companies' cards sell very well, and both have good reputations in the hobby.
Post scans if you purchase.
I have sent SGC cards to PSA for review and every time PSA would not give the grade I wanted, however 100% of the same exact cards I have sent to PSA cracked out and I received as high or higher grade from PSA than was on the SGC. The inconsistency in PSA's grading was embarrassing.
When I say 100%, keep in mind that I was very selective in the SGC cards that I acquired, especially in regards to centering.
Bottom line is always buy the card, not the holder. If you're selling ......... PSA
MULLINS5,1966CUDA,nam812,nightcrawler,OAKESY25,PowderedH2O,relaxed,RonBurgundy,samsgirl214,shagrotn77,swartz1,slantycouch,Statman,Wabittwax
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-58-TOPPS-77-BILL-RUSSELL-ROOKIE-SGC-88-/120744633377?_trksid=m7&_trkparms=algo=LVI&itu=UCI&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=1055460710407846604&_qi=RTM1084479
I would bet that it wouldnt have crossed, I think that you made a good decision.
<< <i>SGC is very reputable. My experience with vintage is that if the centering is up to par, the grade will be comparable between PSA and SGC. I have had good success with crossovers when I examine the card myself, and think "This SGC 88 looks like a PSA 8." You can't just look at the number grade and assume a crossover, however. >>
I agree, While SGC has much better customer service, the grading scale is pretty much the same. Both will under and overgrade some here and there. Most collect for money reasons and that is where PSA holds the advantage with its Set Registry. Many will pay more, often times even for a sub-par weeker card in a PSA slab simply because they are rooted so deep in the Set Registry.
When I decided to get some cards graded, I did my due diligence and found that the majority of PSA cards with the same grade as the others sold for quite a bit more. Now, of course, there were some exceptions, but by far, day in & day out, this was true. Now I found that the grading fees were a little cheaper thru the other companies, but it doesn't make much sense to save a couple of bucks on grading fees when you lose $20 to $100 on resale. Once a member, I find out about the grading specials and it really made sense to go with PSA.
Now, once I start collecting some PSA cards and I discover the registry, than I became addicted. So in my case, it was resale, registry, centering or strictness in grading, in that order.
It always makes me laugh when I see an Ebay auction where the seller says SCG 7NM, get regrade to PSA 8. They are, of course, trying to sell their product, but give me a break!
<< <i>I agree that one of the reasons that PSA cards are more popular than SCG, BGS & GAI is the registry, but that is by far not the only reason.
Now, once I start collecting some PSA cards and I discover the registry, than I became addicted. So in my case, it was resale, registry, centering or strictness in grading, in that order.
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I think this statement pretty much sums it up.
When Money(resale) and Registry Compition(addiction) are your first concerns and centering and the actual CARD and its grade are secondary, it reinforces the fact that I stated earlier that many PSA Registry collectors are often willing to accept a sometimes lower quality card for a specific grade for resale and registry purposes and give a higher price to do so. The card and its actual condition becomes secondary to the label put on it.
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<< <i>I do think that SGC is more lax on centering issues, as pclpads alluded to.
Buy the card, not the holder. >>
Agreed on the latter ... but if the former is true ... that's kind of a big deal wouldn't you say? >>
Paul,
There are certainly quite a few PSA 9 cards that have me scratching my head as well so it does work both ways. I would say that you cannot just go by the grade on the holder, though often times people do because of the set registry.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I buy graded 1952 from both companies and agree SGC are cheaper. I will probably care one day when I go to sell. But I figure by that time I will be wealthy beyond my dreams from selling all my 1987 Fleer Update Luis Polonias, 1986 Topps Milt Thompsons, and 1985 Topps Mark Bailey rookie cards. I can donate the fully graded SGC 1952 set (which will be #2 on their registry) to "Make a Wish Foundation" and price it as PSA.
<< <i>I think i have decided not to buy the card based on some peoples opinions. I like the card but i know it is worth alot more in a psa holder. Here is a link of the card they have it listed on ebay right now. Thoughts?
Good call! Centering would keep that from crossing to an 8. Like a previous poster noted, it's in an SGC slab for a reason.
turned in to this.
MULLINS5,1966CUDA,nam812,nightcrawler,OAKESY25,PowderedH2O,relaxed,RonBurgundy,samsgirl214,shagrotn77,swartz1,slantycouch,Statman,Wabittwax
Last week at National an SGC 98 cards was submitted for crossover to 10 by the owner and was rejected
for evidence of trimming.
Less than 48 hours later someone else walked through the same exact card and it was moved into a PSA 10 holder.
Go figure...
Dave