Uh, do you think coins can tone in the holder?

philographer · July 30, 2012 2:08PM

This is the most extreme case I've seen!

ebay roosie

Sometimes they turn beautifully, sometimes...not so much.

Tiny · July 30, 2012 2:30PM

That is one awful looking coin and I doubt it toned in that holder. I believe that coins need
to be in contact with someting other than a piece of plastic to turn colors. Weren't coins
supposed to remain prestine if they are incased in a TPG slab?

This one came out of a mint set and hasn't changed while in the slab.

MsMorrisine · July 30, 2012 2:43PM

how do you know it turned in the holder?

philographer · July 30, 2012 2:55PM

True, but it doesn't seem likely that someone would send in a black coin...

braddick · July 30, 2012 3:02PM

Not a black coin.
Didn't tone in the holder.

tahoe98 · July 31, 2012 12:30AM

<< how do you know it turned in the holder? >>

...true unless in an NGC holder because most of their coins are viewable on their site in slab.

lcoopie · July 31, 2012 12:36AM

definitely as the holders are not airtight

derryb · July 31, 2012 12:38AM

"I believe that coins need to be in contact with someting other than a piece of plastic to turn colors."
The plastic also holds a paper label not far from the coin.

JRocco · July 31, 2012 12:54AM

I bet that is just a lousy pic of an attractive coin.

braddick · July 31, 2012 12:57AM

The seller has other coins he obviously scanned that appear black.

Bankerbob56 · July 31, 2012 1:09AM

Obviously a rhetorical question!

Yes, they can and DO tone within a holder. Even in the best storage conditions they continue to tone over time!!!

IrishMikey · July 31, 2012 1:55AM

Definitely. I have personally experienced toning forming over a number of years with coins
in all 3 of the major grading services' holders. The old white ANACS holders had a penchant
for this, with many Morgan dollars developing really attractive peripheral toning.

Newer holders must be more airtight, as coins in them do not seem to be toning as quickly.
They have not been around long enough to make an absolute statement, though.

TwoKopeiki · July 31, 2012 2:02AM

I've seen coins turn in holders before, but that is usually a sign of some active contaminant already on the surface at the time of encapsulation. With PCGS using the sniffer, this should be more or less taken care of. Otherwise, the slabs are airtight enough to preserve the coin for quite some time. I collect mostly PCGS toners and my collection has not yet turned in the holder, with some coins I've personally had encapsulated as far back as 7 years ago.

TomB · July 31, 2012 2:24AM

That is a scan. I doubt the coin looks much like the image presented on ebay. It was more likely taken from a US Mint Set prior to certification and would have perhaps been dark already.

illini420 · July 31, 2012 2:27AM

I have several Silver Eagles in the older PCI slabs that have definitely toned in the holders. They have nice toning now, but are in slabs designated as "100% White." I thought that was pretty cool to have a toned coin in a slab marked 100% White so I bought them up. If that company's plastic tones the coins, then it's plausible that other slabs may tone coins as well.

crazyhounddog · July 31, 2012 2:48AM

I have a Roosevelt dime MS-66 that's darker than that one LOL....

georgiacop50 · July 31, 2012 2:54AM

<< I have several Silver Eagles in the older PCI slabs that have definitely toned in the holders. They have nice toning now, but are in slabs designated as "100% White." I thought that was pretty cool to have a toned coin in a slab marked 100% White so I bought them up. If that company's plastic tones the coins, then it's plausible that other slabs may tone coins as well. >>

I think those PCI coins and some old ANACS and even NGC as well toned not due to the plastic but rather the paper inserts.

PerryHall · July 31, 2012 2:54AM

<< definitely as the holders are not airtight >>

Agree and sometimes a coin that has been dipped and improperly rinsed will tone or discolor within the slab due to the residual chemical residue from the dip.

tahoe98 · July 31, 2012 3:16AM

...copper coins are a good example of toning so to speak. check out a red description on a slab years later and you'll find it is brown, even though it has been in a slab.

19Lyds · July 31, 2012 3:35AM

<< I have several Silver Eagles in the older PCI slabs that have definitely toned in the holders. They have nice toning now, but are in slabs designated as "100% White." I thought that was pretty cool to have a toned coin in a slab marked 100% White so I bought them up. If that company's plastic tones the coins, then it's plausible that other slabs may tone coins as well. >>

PCI Holders have a rputation for toning coins.

Has anybody cracked one out and if so, what was the holder made of?

As for the NGC label and its proximity to the coin, I don't no that NGC did NOT used archival quality paper for the labels. If not then, then most certainly within recent years.

illini420 · July 31, 2012 4:07AM

I'm thinking it's much more likely that the PCI plastic is toning the coins and not the labels. The coins tone in a target toning style from the edge of the coin inward. If it were the label it would more likely be toning from the area of the coin closest to the label only.

I have some of the old PCCI and INGS slabs with the big photos next to the coins and those labels do seem to tone the coins as the edges of the coin next to the labels do get toning while the opposite sides do not.

roadrunner · July 31, 2012 4:08AM

The early no-line/no bar code fatty holders could indeed tone the coin in striking colors over several years, especially if it were white or dipped to begin with.
That topic has been discussed here before.

PerryHall · July 31, 2012 4:10AM

<< 

<< I have several Silver Eagles in the older PCI slabs that have definitely toned in the holders. They have nice toning now, but are in slabs designated as "100% White." I thought that was pretty cool to have a toned coin in a slab marked 100% White so I bought them up. If that company's plastic tones the coins, then it's plausible that other slabs may tone coins as well. >>

PCI Holders have a rputation for toning coins.

Has anybody cracked one out and if so, what was the holder made of?

>>

The toning in the older PCI slabs was caused by the soft plastic ring that holds the coin rather the the hard plastic shell. I have no idea what type of plastic they were made from but they may have been PVC since they were soft.

Constantine · July 31, 2012 4:19AM

<< I'm thinking it's much more likely that the PCI plastic is toning the coins and not the labels. The coins tone in a target toning style from the edge of the coin inward. If it were the label it would more likely be toning from the area of the coin closest to the label only.

I have some of the old PCCI and INGS slabs with the big photos next to the coins and those labels do seem to tone the coins as the edges of the coin next to the labels do get toning while the opposite sides do not. >>

I agree with your assessment of the PCI toning. I have seen the labels turn brown on the bottom edge of the paper. Not sure what impact that has had on the tone coining, or if perhaps the paper turned brown on that bottom edge because it was closest to the inner ring which is the culprit.

But yes, many of the PCI toners are target toning with the most being at the edges of the coin and over time the toning moves inward on the coin.

UtahCoin · July 31, 2012 4:19AM

I'd wager that the coin is not that dark in hand. I copied the image into PhotoShop and tweaked it as much as I could, the result being some greens, orange and blues. The coin sold for $15, so not much downside risk.

lcoopie · July 31, 2012 4:19AM

old anacs holders cause nice toning IMO

georgiacop50 · July 31, 2012 4:22AM

I've noticed PCI slabs give off a very pronounced acrylic smell (smells just like uncured super glue...cyanoacrylate) when cracked.

The inner ring however is not acyrlic. No idea what it's composition is...gummi bears?

lkeigwin · July 31, 2012 4:29AM

Funny...the OP coin sold. But the seller has two more listed. Same coin. LOL.
Lance.

coinbuf · July 31, 2012 4:47AM

<< I'd wager that the coin is not that dark in hand. I copied the image into PhotoShop and tweaked it as much as I could, the result being some greens, orange and blues. The coin sold for $15, so not much downside risk. >>

Agreed, and thats why I offered the seller $15. At worst its really dark and will go into my old holder collection, no downside with this coin.

georgiacop50 · July 31, 2012 4:49AM

Apparently the old no-line fattys can clone themselves.

philographer · July 31, 2012 5:35AM

<< Apparently the old no-line fattys can clone themselves. >>

Yikes, with the same serial numbers!

ColonelJessup · July 31, 2012 6:04AM

Last year a 1901-S 25c appeared at a Stacks sale graded PCGS MS68+. When it appeared 25 years ago (freshly dipped from a subdued PC MS66 by "Magic Mark" and then NGC MS68) it was, as one might expect, blast white. Now it's still monster white but developed beautiful ring toning and obviously crossed. And CACed.

Treashunt · July 31, 2012 11:52PM

ugh.

Value= melt

coinbuf · August 2, 2012 3:00PM

<< This is the most extreme case I've seen!

ebay roosie

Sometimes they turn beautifully, sometimes...not so much. >>

Actually its quite nice for a toiner in hand

Uh, do you think coins can tone in the holder?

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