Trade Dollar inside, your thoughts please.
Wabbit2313
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Some of the light scratces are on the plastic. How would you grade? THANKS!
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the patina is a lil hard to swallow though
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still may be a nice one as I'm not too certain of hub attribution as of yet
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OK I'll take a stab at 58
Tom
<< <i>AU details, cleaned. >>
At least it is REAL!
bob
I think 3/4 of trade dollars look cleaned. Not sure if it came from the trip to China or not??!!
<< <i>Not sure if it came from the trip to China or not??!! >>
One thing for sure is they got beat up pretty badly over there.
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still may be a nice one as I'm not too certain of hub attribution as of yet
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All 1877-1885 Trade Dollars are type 2/2
<< <i>My thoughts are that it is graded and in a old ANA slab. >>
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It took me forever to find an old ANA trade dollar. (not already priced grades higher) It really is not cleaned, but I will cross in holder just to be safe. All part of the big picture of coins and how they cross experiment I have going on.
ANA is 55, I think it is higher under the dirty plastic.
Thanks for the comments, even the usual 92 crowd who have never seen a coin that was not cleaned!! LOL!
<< <i>Thanks for the comments, even the usual 92 crowd who have never seen a coin that was not cleaned!! LOL! >>
To defend that "crowd", this coin doesn't have high AU luster that one would expect to see on late 19th century dollars. Also, there are pretty clear hairlines in the obverse field going from NW to SE. It has been cleaned before hands down. I don't think our host would genuine it, just downgrade. There have been plenty worse in graded holders.
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<< <i>Thanks for the comments, even the usual 92 crowd who have never seen a coin that was not cleaned!! LOL! >>
To defend that "crowd", this coin doesn't have high AU luster that one would expect to see on late 19th century dollars. Also, there are pretty clear hairlines in the obverse field going from NW to SE. It has been cleaned before hands down. I don't think our host would genuine it, just downgrade. There have been plenty worse in graded holders. >>
What would the cleaners say about this one? ANA looks like a proof compared to this!!
After seeing this, "Hatchet" mark might be a better term! My point, NO WAY ANA gets 92. There are tons in MS just like this one.
Crypto, I would imagine that chop would be next to impossible to see in hand especially with graders only spending 5 seconds on these things
I couldn't make worse marks if I used a wire grinding wheel. Someone actually paid full retail, $2645.00 for that. If it was posted raw on EBay, I sure wouldn't buy it thinking I would send it in. No way! And if I did post it here asking if I should, how many would say yes, it is not cleaned?
<< <i>And if I did post it here asking if I should, how many would say yes, it is not cleaned? >>
The majority.
Woops.
<< <i>perhaps someone can explain how to differentiate a 60 from an AU coin referring to that 74cc >>
I don't know if I'm qualified to answer this but...The reverse is very clearly uncirculated, unbroken luster and a bunch of bagmarks. The obverse is a little more unorthodox uncirculated. The luster is almost nonexistant and there appears to be multiple breaks in the mint frost all over Liberty. However, that's caused by cabinet friction and not wear. If you look at the leg of Liberty, there is no wear so much as very heavy cabinet friction. There is possibly the slightest wear on Liberty's left shoulder and her legs, but it's hard to tell and if it is there, it's not enough to call it a circ IMO. Also, look at the leaves in Liberty's hand and compare it to the one in the OP. Clearly there is no wear on the leaves on the 74CC. I don't know if that's a great place to look for wear since it's so close to the rim, but it's easy to see the difference without having to supplant extra photos.
Is this one cleaned?
<< <i>Is this one cleaned? >>
Baised upon the pic only I'd say yes it is cleaned, no matter what the holder says I would discount that coin if I were a buyer.
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<< <i>perhaps someone can explain how to differentiate a 60 from an AU coin referring to that 74cc >>
it may seem trivial but the difference between a baggy 60 and a 58 is wear/impacted luster. While a bag mark will impact the luster of the area it hits the unmarred area around it will retail the mint made finish where a AU will have a more uniformed application of rub that affects the majority of areas that are on the same plane. You only way you notice the difference is understanding how they are made and it is a fair statement to say that a baggy coin could receive multiple different grades if submitted multiple times, sliding back and forth between UNC and AU (slider). That said it is technically an UNC and a CC one at that and the OP's is a common date AU that has been lightly cleaned no matter what the services say about it. A $250-$325 coin in PCGS plastic max, much less in a gen holder which there is a chance of.
The other 77 does have hairlines so wiped might be a better term than cleaned with eludes to a solvent as well.
Now you're probably going to ask if that gets a number grade, why doesn't mine. To answer that, it has to do with the amount of luster impacted by the wipe. Cearly the 77 still retains a grand amount of natural luster, and still looks half decent even with the wipes. On the other hand, your coin exhibits very little luster for a mid-high AU coin and thus I say it will get net graded. It has retoned already, so I don't think either NGC or PCGS will call it cleaned.
<< <i>Now you're probably going to ask if that gets a number grade, why doesn't mine. >>
Nope, and mine will number. The ANA guy who put that in there 25 years ago knows a lot more about it than you or I.
TDN know a lot more about it than you or I.
The dude who put that CC in a slab, after the freight train ran it over...............I am not so sure if he know more, but probably.
Case closed on the AU55.
As far as the pictures, it just shows that cleaning or "wiping", (Grinding), are forgiven in some series.
Cheers!
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<< <i>Now you're probably going to ask if that gets a number grade, why doesn't mine. >>
Nope, and mine will number. The ANA guy who put that in there 25 years ago knows a lot more about it than you or I.
TDN know a lot more about it than you or I.
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Alright, I said I think it will grade so I agree with you and TDN. Never said I was a Trade dollar expert but it is my main series and what I collect.
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<< <i>Is this one cleaned? >>
Baised upon the pic only I'd say yes it is cleaned, no matter what the holder says I would discount that coin if I were a buyer. >>
Die polish is what I say..Please educate me if not.Thank you.