Can you really trust BBCE when buying unopened? I'm not sure.
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The review on Yelp is pretty bad!
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If you are going to be a sh*t stirrer then man up and come out from behind your alt!
I will only state my personal wax opening experiences over the years (not including the ones I did as a kid).
1. Bought a few 1973 o-pee-chee baseball wax boxes from a dealer I know in Canada. They yielded pack fresh beauties. This info was found out through these boards.
2. Bought a few packs of 1975 Topps minis from 70'scollector here on this forum. The cards were amazing.
3. Bought a 1972 o-pee-chee baseball wax box from BBCE years ago. Many of the cards were gum ruined. Didn't yield anything at all.
I was involved with one BBCE rip here on the boards. After the rip, I decided never to do it again.
So I'm sure I'm in the minority when it comes to BBCE, but the best rips I've had are with other guys who have great reputations here on this board, while
my BBCE experiences have not been that great. However, my purchases are not a good enough sample size to gather any valueable information from them.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
BBCE: "No."
A-Hole: "Thanks. Just wrote a "review" about your company. LOLOLOLOLOL!!"
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This forum has it's fair share of instigators. It's too bad. I suspect there'd be a lot more members if it weren't for all the malcontents.
I've bought from Fritsch and was amazed at what I got.
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<< <i>If the OP is really disgusted with BBCE, then just buy from Larry Fritsch.
I've bought from Fritsch and was amazed at what I got. >>
If Chaz thinks Steve's prices on vintage unopened are too high, just visit the Fritsch site, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I'm asking a question & I thought about it because that 70 box Nikklos busted was pretty bad
Did you watch the video of the 1954 Topps Hockey wax pack opened in Toronto? A $5K pack that yielded maybe $3.5K in cards... should we author a bad review on Yelp about Topps employees from 1954?
<< <i>The Yelp review was pretty detailed, packs were searched etc!
I'm asking a question & I thought about it because that 70 box Nikklos busted was pretty bad >>
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, sure you were. LOL!!!!!
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What's amusing is how people who don't know anything about the unopened hobby claim a pack is resealed because they didn't pull a HOFer or key RC.
Topps did not produce these packs to yield PSA 10s...these were trading cards to flip among friends.
I have been collecting unopened for over 20 years now, and can say without question that Steve is as legit as they come.
In fact, I just ordered a few OPC packs along with my cello boxes, and 1 of the 2 77 OPCs had Fisk on back and 1 of the 78s had Ryan on back.
People here are opening 82 Topps cello boxes that were sold as regular cello boxes and pulling packs with Ripken RC on top. Another guy
pulled an 81 cello with Montana on top. When we had the 76 cello rip, one back had Brett on back and another had Yount on back.
What more do you need?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Once again you show what a moronic POS you are.
Show some credibility, let's see all these unopened 70's cases you have.
Fing Idiots!
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MB, you got anger issues bro. You need counseling?
<< <i>People here are opening 82 Topps cello boxes that were sold as regular cello boxes and pulling packs with Ripken RC on top. Another guy
pulled an 81 cello with Montana on top. When we had the 76 cello rip, one back had Brett on back and another had Yount on back.
What more do you need? >>
Continuous reality TV style footage of Steve on the next buying trip. We need to know what kind of sanwiches he eats on the road to verify these packs.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
[echo] i get a kick out of the perception that unopened product is supposed to be the gateway to riches, when the majority of what's inside is destined for darkness.
there's a reason kids bike-spoked and flipped cards.....a lot of what was bought in toy stores and five-and-dimes was basically crap.
because Topps' quality control sucked. plain and simple.
it's what caused some of us to turn to stickers and other dumb stuff, because you could have the same gum along with something else useful instead of a miscut picture of Manny Sanguillen.
there must be incredible pressure on Steve to not only locate the product, but then go pins-and-needles waiting for the next a-hole to go ballistic because they got something that was crap ever since production.
why is he responsible for that? in fact, why should he even compensate anyone for poor judgement and a lack of knowledge?
and yet, he does. enjoy the reward people. there won't be another guy for you like Steve Hart. you'd better hope he lives a to be a world record age and still wants to put up with this nonsense. [/echo]
<< <i>Yeah & the last 75 mini rip had tons of o/c crap.....& don't count the 80's stuff, a lot of that is gonna be good because there is so much of it. You could use it as toilet paper
MB, you got anger issues bro. You need counseling? >>
By your statement on '75 Topps rip you obviously haven't opened very much.
Personally, I would feel more comfortable buying unopened product from BBCE than from most other outlets, but in the same respect, on a sizable purchase, I still want the opportunity to view such items in person before laying down significant funds.
YMMV!
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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<< <i>I've personally had only positive experiences with Steve and BBCE. Do they make mistakes, sure. So does everyone, but I like my odds a lot better than going through the minefield on eBay. Even well intentioned eBay sellers unknowingly sell bad product. It has taken me a long time to feel confident spotting unopened and the key is to educate yourself. Don't throw stones as they will always end up coming right back at you tenfold. >>
And when BBCE does make a mistake, they take care of it immediatly with no questions asked. Even more of a reason why they are the #1 un-opened dealer.
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this board is terrible nowadays, after reading the vegas beatdown thread and this one..
I hope the bbce doesn't feel any need to comment here about this
I called once and spoke to Reed for 40 minutes about collecting, probably One of the best chats I've had with someone on collecting. Shipping always fast to NY.
I purchased 5 boxes of 87 OPC last year on black friday. Got 10% off and free shipping. The boxes were only 9.00 or 8.10 with discount. 3 of the 5 boxes were resealed. It was very easy to tell due to the fact that when opening the packs from those 3 boxes, large wax flakes would fall out. Those three boxes yielded no major cards, but had some really well centered commons.
The other two boxes were clearly legit. No Bonds in any of the 5 boxes.
Never contacted Steve.
Still not upset. Made a full set minus Clemens and Bonds, plus two full Braves team set.
I had a blast opening them and it only cost me a little change over forty bucks.
My belief: Steve is as honest as they come, he however is not perfect. There will be some resealed product get past him.
I would purchase from him at anytime. I would not think twice about it and look forward to some junk wax purchases in the future.
If you have to go to a website like "Yelp" to determine your best course of action, you are lost to begin with and nothing found anywhere will help you
To be honest, no direction, but...
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Only Scott really answered the question!
The review on yelp lacked any important details. It did not say what product was bought, nor did the customer say what happened when he contacted the company to correct the problem
<< <i>Hey Mark - I asked a question. You blind unopened horndogs are the ones who need a life.
Only Scott really answered the question! >>
OK, let me get this straight. You "question Steve's integrity" based on 1 review from somebody nobody knows and from a website no one has heard of!!!!!! Are you freaking kidding me???? Knowing that there is hundreds of positive transactions with Steve on this board alone. Yeah right, your just askng a question. You Alts are not that sharp.
No worries, you will be gone on Monday. Have a nice life.
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Honest people get taken by dishonest every day, I am sure Steve is no exception, but having opened many packs, boxes and cases from BBCE, I have zero concern about their integrity.
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<< <i>Hey Mark - I asked a question. You blind unopened horndogs are the ones who need a life.
Only Scott really answered the question! >>
Really. Someone who searches the internet to find an obscure website I never heard of with a review they probably posted themselves and you state we need to get a life, LOL.
You may not have liked my reply, but I believe I really answered your question too.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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<< <i>3. Bought a 1972 o-pee-chee baseball wax box from BBCE years ago. Many of the cards were gum ruined. Didn't yield anything at all.
I was involved with one BBCE rip here on the boards. After the rip, I decided never to do it again. >>
These were the packs that BBCE offered in-store credit to those who wanted refunds for their packs... or did you conveniently forget that part. I was one of the first ones to open my packs and discovered the stains, and that's when he offered the refunds (which I didn't take).
I'm really getting sick of the ax-grinders here.
Sometimes I had really nice hits, other times I didn't. It's called "luck of the draw".
Some of the cards I pulled include a Marino and Larry Bird RCs.
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Steve Hart, it's absolutely laughable to put any credence in it.
Steve is, without a doubt, as honest as they come. He may not be perfect (few people are), but I am confident that he has NEVER tried to
pass off something as legitimate when he had even the slightest inkling that it was either was no good or questionable.
As a businessman, Steve has always been first-class. His customer service is top notch. He's reachable. he takes the time to work with and
get to know his customers.
The fact that someone doesn't pull perfectly centered, star rookie cards from vinatge unopened packs is not so surprising. It's not as if Topps
and other companies had huge quality assurance processes back in the days when most of us were putting the cards in our bike spokes or
flipping them against walls. There was more QA happening for the GUM than for the cards.
With regard to the recent 75 mini rip, the serial number on the side of that case was KNOWN to be one that has yielded a lot of duds. It's
unfortunate that he clearly had to pay "up" (relative to his usual buy prices) in order to get that case. It's also unfortunate that we've been
going through a vintage 70s "slowdown" over the past 6 months so people were itching to get in on a break at prices that were significantly
higher than in the recent past.
There are a lot of shenanigans going on out there (card cutters, resealers, people putting together bogus packs, etc.), but I have absolute
confidence in Steve Hart/BBCE as someone who is both:
a) NOT involved in any way with that kind of activity and
b) One of the people who is ACTIVELY working to expose such fraudsters, including working with local, state and even FEDERAL authorities
when he becomes aware of such situations
Steve has my full confidence, support and business!
Dave