Alice Paul on a Spouse Coin

Coinsponge · July 20, 2012 1:44AM

Is that not the dumbest thing that Congress has forced the Mint to do in a while? Still gets my goat thinking about it. I fail to understand how that makes any sense. "One of these days Alice...POW, right in the kisser".

TomB · July 20, 2012 2:02AM

It also gets to me, too.

pf70collector · July 20, 2012 2:11AM

The mint is not very inspirational lately. Didn't take the clues from the disastrous Susan B. Anthony Dollars.

TheRaven · July 20, 2012 2:19AM

not appropriate to me at all

dont care however

messydesk · July 20, 2012 2:23AM

I thought Ron's wife's name was Carol.

Coinsponge · July 20, 2012 2:24AM

<< not appropriate to me at all

dont care however >>

I think I understand and I feel they even deserve it.

JamesMurray · July 20, 2012 3:04AM

<< I thought Ron's wife's name was Carol. >>

Davideo · July 20, 2012 3:05AM

The earlier liberty designs seemed to be the ones with the most popularity, I'm not sure why they wouldn't do a period liberty.

Coinsponge · July 20, 2012 3:28AM

<< 

<< I thought Ron's wife's name was Carol. >>

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Paternal grandma?

LindeDad · July 20, 2012 3:39AM

Was she even a "Spouse"?

MsMorrisine · July 20, 2012 4:55AM

The only reason I can see for not using a Liberty was that the larger denom gold Liberty design for this coin would be the similar for the previous issue.

They'd have to pick another Liberty design.

A Seated has already been done.

No offense to the Morgan collector's but Morgan's Liberty wouldn't work well in the set.

Would the $1 Gold Princess Liberty be worthy?

Oh well. It's too late now. The design is set in stone.

messydesk · July 20, 2012 4:59AM

<< No offense to the Morgan collector's but Morgan's Liberty wouldn't work well in the set. >>

They wouldn't be able to execute it with the correct level of detail. It would probably look like a knockoff of a 1921 Morgan.

<< Would the $1 Gold Princess Liberty be worthy? >>

or $3. Liberty nickel also a possibility, but that's probably my least favorite Liberty head design.
Oh well. It's too late now. The design is set in stone.

>>

Stone? I would have said dung.

MsMorrisine · July 20, 2012 5:03AM

a Morgan would look weird on a small coin.

and I'm now thinking the princess design may offend what lttle improvements we've made with the native population.

Coinsponge · July 20, 2012 6:05AM

<< a Morgan would look weird on a small coin.

Maybe so but seems to me if a high quality portrayal of Morgan's Liberty might have surprised favorably. Unfortunately we will not get to see.

Overdate · July 20, 2012 10:33AM

The Alice Paul coin appears more like a stand-alone commemorative than a Spouse coin. It is the only one in the series with no "presidency" identifier or term-of-office dates on the obverse.

LanLord · July 20, 2012 12:28PM

Will there actually be spouse coins in 2012?

Coinsponge · July 20, 2012 1:28PM

Seems odd that they haven't even put any on the schedule yet. Probably trying to get Congressional approval to kill the series.

MsMorrisine · July 20, 2012 2:53PM

<< Probably trying to get Congressional approval to kill the series. >>

I hope not.

There are the die hard collectors which seemingly are going to be in it until the end.

Stopping the series will make the rest orphans and worth melt even in 70FS.

Coinsponge · July 21, 2012 12:36AM

Stopping the series will make the rest orphans and worth melt even in 70FS. >>

It is funny how collectors seem to demand set completion so much. Got to be a form of OCD.

TwoSides2aCoin · July 21, 2012 12:58AM

Coins that are collectible, are.
Ones that aren't, aren't. Nobody knows what a collectible coin is until someone is interested enough to collect a coin.
Some of the stuff that isnt' , bores me before it's ever made, but this is the nature of what is not yet to be collected.

That's the diplomatic way of saying : " I have no real concern". I'm mostly practicing typing at this stage.
I prefer Alice Cooper on a coin.

TwoSides2aCoin · July 21, 2012 1:04AM

Alice in Wonderland, for that matter. EOM

Coinsponge · July 21, 2012 3:29AM

I would still prefer Alice Kramden. She could keep that Ralph in line ( most of the time).

messydesk · July 21, 2012 3:35AM

<< I prefer Alice Cooper on a coin. >>

The forward facing Jefferson portraits are close. Easily modifiable by a hobo nickelist.

pf70collector · July 21, 2012 6:21AM

Is it cost feasible for the mint to produce only 3k mintage commemorative coins. Point will be reached where they could be losing money on this series. Fed Gov't is now very aware of waste as we can now see with the Presidential Dollars.

Coinsponge · July 21, 2012 6:28AM

<< Is it cost feasible for the mint to produce only 3k mintage commemorative coins. Point will be reached where they could be losing money on this series. Fed Gov't is now very aware of waste as we can now see with the Presidential Dollars. >>

When you consider the cost of the design, planchets, labor, dies, packaging, distribution costs, and possibly falling gold prices it would seem that the point of losing returns it already upon them with these coins at 3000-4000 mintage. Just a guess.

MsMorrisine · July 21, 2012 6:36AM

the only things with the product indicated on it are:
1. COA card (name)
2. Outer sleeve (mint product number ad barcode)

the sticker over the old product numbers with new stickers on the outer sleeve.

So packaging cost is mostly in the COA cards and storage of enough of the OGP to make a manu. run worth it.

designs and dies are another story.

It'd be nice if they broke out the individual product lines costs and profitability in the annual report, but they don't get down to that level there.

droopyd · July 21, 2012 9:30AM

They coulda used Stella....

AUandAG · July 21, 2012 10:39AM

Shall we take a vote to see how many on this forum even know who she was? I for one,
did not know the name or the events that would allow her to be recognized on a US coin.

bob

MsMorrisine · July 21, 2012 11:09AM

don't ask me why Congress chose Alice Paul, I'd have to go back to the findings in the Public Law to do that,
but
part of the intent from Congress for the series was to be educational on the First Ladies.

lkeigwin · July 21, 2012 11:41AM

She was a remarkable woman...I admire her more than SBA...but I don't think she belongs in the spouse series, regardless of her tie-in to C.A. Arthur's era and his widower-ness.
Lance.

beryl · July 21, 2012 11:52AM

Alice Paul has no tie-in to Chester Arthur or "his era." She was two months old when he left office! Her inclusion in the first spouse series is an insult to Arthur a man who was corrupt to the core before taking office - but did much to reform the Federal bureaucracy.

lcoopie · July 21, 2012 9:09PM

it's politics IMO
there are a lot of woman voters

53BKid · July 24, 2012 11:25PM

The whole first spouse gold series was a concept to get Hillary Clinton's support for the presidential $1 series when she was a Senator from NY. I'm sure a discussion with her took place at some posh Washington hotel yielded the Alice Paul idea.

The whole series reeks of political chroni-ism.

Coinsponge · July 25, 2012 12:35AM

<< The whole first spouse gold series was a concept to get Hillary Clinton's support for the presidential $1 series when she was a Senator from NY. I'm sure a discussion with her took place at some posh Washington hotel yielded the Alice Paul idea.

The whole series reeks of political chroni-ism. >>

I think so. Prez Bill better watch his back when it comes time for a Hillary coin since I think they require the President to be dead to issue a Spouse coin. She might throw more than ash trays at him now.

Coinsponge · July 25, 2012 1:13AM

<< They coulda used Stella....

>>

You know if they would have done a profile view of Ms Paul and changed the denomination to $4 they may have created a coin that looks a bit like a Stella and we could just pretend it was.

Alice Paul on a Spouse Coin

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