1868 Shield 5 cent with IIC rev?

bigtonydallas

What would an 1868 Shield 5 cent with IIC rev be worth in AG? Fine? XF?


Thanks,

bigtonydallas

no one?

LanceNewmanOCC

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i've only purchased a dozen or so shield nickels in the past 2 years and only 1 that i know of as an 1868 rpd rev of 67 and i had a hard time giving it away with only 1 graded between pcgs/ngc
maybe you can find more info than i did
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messydesk

There's a big fan of Shield nickels ATS. You might try there.

bigtonydallas

Thats what I thought. Very little interest in Shield varieties!

Walkerguy21D

If you can track down HowardS on the forum, he may be able to provide some additional information.

Good luck!

bigtonydallas

I already belong to the yahoo group for shield nickles. I was just wondering how much interest the collectors on this site would have. I guess not very much. Thanks for the leads though!!!

howards

1868 with reverse IIc does not exist. Only reverse IIa and IIb.

bigtonydallas

Ed Fletcher in his book makes a reference that he heard of one but has never seen one. SO if someone found one and it was not counterfeit, then it would be a big find and worth a penny or two. Right?

howards

I'll copy the answers you got on Yahoo Shield nickels for the benefit of readers here:

from Ken Hill:

I believe that Walter Breen had made the original claim so Ed added the comment to the information in his book. It's always possible that there might be an 1868 with reverse IIc, but it's very doubtful. In the beginning of 1868 reverse IIa was used. During the year IIb was put into use since it gave a stronger strike to the devices, mainly the stars. Hub IIb eventually broke down and again IIa was put into use and was carried over into 1869. Since 1869s with reverse IIa are fairly common it appears IIc wasn't put into use close to the beginning of the run. If it wasn't prepared during 1868 it would be unlikely that it could be paired with an 1868 obverse----of course I guess there are some who think things can become retroactive when necessary (LOL). There are scenarios where it would be possible that an 1868 could be paired with a IIc reverse. One thing is certain, there are still lots of discoveries to be made in the Shield series.

from me:

Ken Hill already gave you the answer I would have, so I won't repeat what he said. I'd also add that Ken has looked at more 1868s than anyone else on the planet, and while you can't prove a negative I think if an 1868 IIc existed Ken would have seen one by now.

Why don't you post a photo of what you have? That might answer your questions immediately.

Hypothetically, if an 1868 IIc reverse was found I would call it a big find for shield nickel researchers but likely not a coin worth thousands (unless it was super high grade MS). Probably worth hundreds, though.

For comparison, Fletcher's book also says 1870 IIa may exist. This turned out to be true, sort of, in the form of an 1870 IIa/IIc DDR. Brad Meadows found the first such coin I officially heard of like this, although I suspect someone else (maybe Les Leroy Smith) had one. I bought that coin from Brad, an AU, for about $550 (that gives you an idea of value). Since then a number of other examples have surfaced, and I have a total of 4 examples, the nicest being a PCGS 62. I think it's likely there are more, and they just haven't been found because people don't look at the reverse of their coins enough.

Some time after Brad found that first coin, I found a different IIa/IIc DDR.

As Ken said, there are plenty of discoveries yet to be made in shield nickels. That's one big reason I like the series.