PCGS PR63?

rhedden

Is this a real PCGS slab? I can't believe this coin could grade PR63 with artificial-looking toning and all those hairlines. Maybe it's just a bad photo. The cert. # checks out.

Note, this is not intended to be a knock on the dealer. I have bought from them before and I did very well. I am just suspicious of the authenticity of this holder.

PCGS PR63 Seated half

NewParadigm

I think it is just how/ angle the photo is taken to show the hairlines. I vote legit.

MilkmanDan

My guess is that you could shoot that coin with different lighting and see a totally different result w.r.t. hairlines/scratches. I've experimented with this and it's quite educational. The coin most likely doesn't look that bad in hand. I think the coin and slab are legit.

123cents

I think it is legit.

LindeDad

I think the slab predates the start of the current system of grading and even though coin was cleaned it was net graded rather than body bagged back then. Toning has progressed to the point of accenting the problems with the coin.

I think coin and slab are Genuine and should be in that type of holder now.

mbogoman

Hairlines are what often drive proofs down to 63 or lower 60s grades - the degree of hairlining determining the penalty. However, at least from the photos, I must say those hairlines look to have crossed the line in the sand between "market acceptable" hairlining and cleaning. I might even call it harsh cleaning...I hope it's just the lighting and photo angle...

Zoins

Hairlines are acceptable on PR63 and are more apparent in some photos than others.

CarlWohlforth

That's a lot of hairlines for a proof! Also the blue sure looks like the coin was torched or something involving heat.

<<I think coin and slab are Genuine and should be in that type of holder now.>>

I agree.

michiganboy

What Lindad said, I think this would grade lower today.

stealer

My guess is it wouldn't grade today due to the color.

relicsncoins

It's possible it was dipped and then retoned after it was slabbed.

messydesk

<< <i>What Lindad said, I think this would grade lower today. >>


If at all.

Wolf359

Hairlines my ###.

That's a circulated proof. Bad day in the grading room I'd assume.

dragon

<< <i>Hairlines my ###.

That's a circulated proof. Bad day in the grading room I'd assume. >>







Circulated why? From those pics, I don't see any obvious wear or shiny areas on the high points such as the eagles talons, leg feathers, neck feathers, edges of shield, nor any wear on the obverse. I also don't see in those pics the numerous small contact marks a circ coin typically has.

rawmorgan

Slab looks legit, cert come back as a PR63.

I think it's just harsh lighting bringing up everything.

golden

<< <i>Slab looks legit, cert come back as a PR63.

I think it's just harsh lighting bringing up everything. >>

roadrunner

No high point rub on that coin. As suggested it probably toned back after being washed or treated in the past. Appears legit to me.

Let's face it, proof 63 seated coins typically have plenty of hairlines. I rarely see 63's that I like, in any holder. That's why I only tend to buy 64's or higher.
This has more than some others. Even the 65's have some hairlines. And the 61's and 62's can be considered "damaged" for lack of a better term as most
of those are just covered in heavy hairlines. The halves and dollars might look more gross because of the much larger fields. The half dimes and dimes can
much better hide the same % of hairlines and not look so bad to the naked eye.